Cornell University (100% vaccination mandated) SHUTS DOWN campus due to coronavirus

Stat Master wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Recovered have rather poor immunity against Omicron relative to 3 doses, we've been over this. Likely moreso if they are old and/or vulnerable.

Sorry, have to BS on this until I see you provide some serious data supporting how you came up with this one. This would be completely unprecedented related to Covid.

Not to mention as far as I had heard as of yesterday only one person had died of Omicron in the US. So when you say rather poor immunity I have no idea what metric you are using. Chance of getting infected with symptoms, chance of hospitalization, chance of death? Those are 3 very different things and should be treated as such.

Relative to 3 doses is the key.

I agree that the recovered should mostly retain strong protection against severe disease (like the unboosted), but they are wide open to reinfection.

If we are going to mandate boosters as "fully vaccinated" in the US, which we probably will, we must mandate that recovered people get at least an extra shot or two. This will get them on the same level as 3x doses.

So will reinfection with Omicron silly. Probably four or five-dose equivalent.

Got it. So you don't have any data and are just making stuff up.

Caleb's Hat wrote:

Let's stay on topic here.

The vaccine saved so many lives that Cornell University had to shut down campus.

Yes. The fear was that a wider infection may not hurt the vaccinated, but expose the unvaccinated as they traveled for the holidays.

Covidiocy wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Relative to 3 doses is the key.

I agree that the recovered should mostly retain strong protection against severe disease (like the unboosted), but they are wide open to reinfection.

If we are going to mandate boosters as "fully vaccinated" in the US, which we probably will, we must mandate that recovered people get at least an extra shot or two. This will get them on the same level as 3x doses.

So will reinfection with Omicron silly. Probably four or five-dose equivalent.

No you moron - the point is to PREVENT more cases. You really can't grasp this.

[quote]Harambe wrote:

Delta is much, much more transmissible. Look at cases, test positivity, and deaths in June before Delta. Vaccines had basically clobbered COVID. Delta changed that and infected a TON of antivaxxers who thought they could freeload off everyone else. Many of them died.

/quote]

So the argument is indeed that the delta variant, by coincidence I guess, is enough more virulent

to exactly compensate for all the vaccinations that have been done? At least in regards to deaths.

Funny that in India, without vaccines, they did almost as well against delta.

The below article makes the same argument as me with some links to data. It is the same argument that

has been made against masks and lock downs and vaccines. If they work, why haven't they worked.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/11/if_the_vaccines_work_why_arent_they_working.html

2600 bro wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

So will reinfection with Omicron silly. Probably four or five-dose equivalent.

No you moron - the point is to PREVENT more cases. You really can't grasp this.

Reinfection is the operative word here. You know, like what is happening to the vaccinated?

Stat Master wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Relative to 3 doses is the key.

I agree that the recovered should mostly retain strong protection against severe disease (like the unboosted), but they are wide open to reinfection.

If we are going to mandate boosters as "fully vaccinated" in the US, which we probably will, we must mandate that recovered people get at least an extra shot or two. This will get them on the same level as 3x doses.

Got it. So you don't have any data and are just making stuff up.

Neutralizing antibody data supports this. Nab results correlate well with protection from mild disease, for obvious biological reasons. Both prior infected and 2-shot vaccinated people basically don’t neutralize omicron at all.

There’s tons of data to support this. Many has been posted repeatedly already.

Here’s some roundups of recent data:

There’s much more out there but convalescent people have trash antibodies against omicron which means likely little protection against infection. 3x boosted looks better.

Turtleb wrote:

So the argument is indeed that the delta variant, by coincidence I guess, is enough more virulent

to exactly compensate for all the vaccinations that have been done? At least in regards to deaths.

Funny that in India, without vaccines, they did almost as well against delta.

The below article makes the same argument as me with some links to data. It is the same argument that

has been made against masks and lock downs and vaccines. If they work, why haven't they worked.

Since widespread rollout of the vaccines, the unvaccinated have been dying at a rate greater than 10 fold of the vaccinated. Delta is quite transmissible so many unvaccinated people caught COVID. There were many more infections this year.

Are you seriously asking why the vaccines did not lower the death rate among the unvaccinated?

Lastly there are estimates that up to 1 million extra Americans would have died without vaccines. If you argument is literally “two numbers similar” without even thinking about the 100 confounding variables, you’re beyond saving.

Harambe wrote:

Stat Master wrote:

Got it. So you don't have any data and are just making stuff up.

Neutralizing antibody data supports this. Nab results correlate well with protection from mild disease, for obvious biological reasons. Both prior infected and 2-shot vaccinated people basically don’t neutralize omicron at all.

There’s tons of data to support this. Many has been posted repeatedly already.

Here’s some roundups of recent data:

https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1468410975686565889?s=21https://twitter.com/janinekimpel/status/1468700628922904591?s=21

There’s much more out there but convalescent people have trash antibodies against omicron which means likely little protection against infection. 3x boosted looks better.

Again, you are way too focused on antibody neutralization. In no way do convalescent people have ZERO protection. The immune system is quite complex you know. What you are providing to corroborate your position is so not compelling.

Stat Master wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Relative to 3 doses is the key.

I agree that the recovered should mostly retain strong protection against severe disease (like the unboosted), but they are wide open to reinfection.

If we are going to mandate boosters as "fully vaccinated" in the US, which we probably will, we must mandate that recovered people get at least an extra shot or two. This will get them on the same level as 3x doses.

Got it. So you don't have any data and are just making stuff up.

Where is the data showing boosters will help rather than harm. I do think healthy old people should consider them, but there is still and never was a need to push them on young healthy people that are not susceptible to severe disease.

Please explain how 3 doses is better? Is it higher anybody levels? What makes 3 doses more effective than prior infection?

Harambe wrote:

Stat Master wrote:

Got it. So you don't have any data and are just making stuff up.

Neutralizing antibody data supports this. Nab results correlate well with protection from mild disease, for obvious biological reasons. Both prior infected and 2-shot vaccinated people basically don’t neutralize omicron at all.

There’s tons of data to support this. Many has been posted repeatedly already.

Here’s some roundups of recent data:

https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1468410975686565889?s=21https://twitter.com/janinekimpel/status/1468700628922904591?s=21

There’s much more out there but convalescent people have trash antibodies against omicron which means likely little protection against infection. 3x boosted looks better.

How much better and for how long? A week? 10% better. Sustained invasion of your cell nuclei by managing produced spike protein will likely lead to much higher risks of early cancer death. Not a good plan without more investigation on the impact of intracellular spike production. Maybe encouragement of the upcoming Novovax or sinovax vaccines would be smarter if longer sustained repetitive jabs are going to be significantly helpful? Long term repetitive usage of mrna tech needs a lot lot more data on its biochemical impact. We can't be as naive as we have for much.

Longer

Covidiocy wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Neutralizing antibody data supports this. Nab results correlate well with protection from mild disease, for obvious biological reasons. Both prior infected and 2-shot vaccinated people basically don’t neutralize omicron at all.

There’s tons of data to support this. Many has been posted repeatedly already.

Here’s some roundups of recent data:

https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1468410975686565889?s=21https://twitter.com/janinekimpel/status/1468700628922904591?s=21

There’s much more out there but convalescent people have trash antibodies against omicron which means likely little protection against infection. 3x boosted looks better.

Again, you are way too focused on antibody neutralization. In no way do convalescent people have ZERO protection. The immune system is quite complex you know. What you are providing to corroborate your position is so not compelling.

You are so thick. It's painful. Its like you simply do not read anything and just keep repeating things.

Neutralizing abs are far and away the most important factor for prevent initial infection. Of course it's what we will look at first to track breakthrough infections.

We are not discussing protection against severe disease. Stop conflating them. God this forum has gotten dumber every day.

BTW a breakthrough infection is still an infection. We want fewer cases. Get boosted. Save anti-vaxxers. Save the immunocompromised.

Another "99% fully vaccinated" college shuts down.

Great "vaccine" ya got there !

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A private liberal arts college in Vermont reverted to remote learning until the close of the fall semester due to 50 active COVID-19 cases on campus.

Final exams, which were scheduled to wrap up by Sunday, will be administered remotely, and students, 99% of whom are fully vaccinated, are encouraged to leave campus early.

Middlebury College's leadership announced Thursday that 49 students and one employee have tested positive, with 34 of those cases being new.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/vermont-middlebury-college-remote-learning-covid-19

Caleb's Hat wrote:

ronko wrote:

How stupid are you? If everyone (in the world, not at the university) had been vaccinated in a timely manner we wouldn’t have variants. Why is this so hard for Republicans to understand?

Great point

We should have vaccinated the entire planet in 2019

Darn Republicans

+1

It's crazy how no one understands this!

Harambe wrote:

Stat Master wrote:

Got it. So you don't have any data and are just making stuff up.

Neutralizing antibody data supports this. Nab results correlate well with protection from mild disease, for obvious biological reasons. Both prior infected and 2-shot vaccinated people basically don’t neutralize omicron at all.

There’s tons of data to support this. Many has been posted repeatedly already.

Here’s some roundups of recent data:

https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1468410975686565889?s=21https://twitter.com/janinekimpel/status/1468700628922904591?s=21

There’s much more out there but convalescent people have trash antibodies against omicron which means likely little protection against infection. 3x boosted looks better.

Is this a joke. Your response to your obviously false statement being called out is to link to twitter and give us some nonsense about convalescent people having bad antibodies against omicron. Lets focus on the 99% + of who are not on deaths doorstop. The medical advice for convalescent people has nothing to do with medical advice for the rest of the population.

First if one reads closely he will see the university had about a 97% vaccination rate not 100%. Secondly they were testing students regularly so a lot of students that were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms were tested and found positive whereas most Americans aren't tested weekly and don't get tested unless they are exposed or have symptoms. So in reality it is likely that the actual city, state, and national rates of infection are higher than the # of positive cases that are reported.

Clearly Cornell had a lot of breakthrough cases and that's also not a surprise and again many of these are probably cases that wouldn't have been reported had Cornell not tested its student body weekly.

From what I have read the vaccine isn't going to prevent 100% of infections against all variants but will stop a large number of people from being infected and more importantly provides for milder symptoms. This too isn't new info the fact that the vaccine would prevent all cases has been known since the trials.