Jakob Ingebrigtsen runs European record 12:48.45!!!!

think first wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Athletes today aren't better than athletes were 40 years ago - but they are better doped, which enables them to train much harder and so run faster times.

Athletes were much more doped 40 years ago.

Today they are better trained, have better nutrition, recovery methods and resources. And better shoes.

So, according to that logic, doping produces far inferior performances. So, it's really a kind of handicapping then? I wonder why so many are concerned to eradicate it. Of course - because it hinders performance.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

You know what you are? An endless repeatbutton in human form. The following was your claim: "Athletes today aren't better than athletes were 40 years ago." Has nothing to do with doping. Human being havent learned anything in 40 years if anyoone was to listen to you. Thats truly a piece of rubbish.

Your only motivation is to turn anything into a shape that matches your agenda.

The truth is that when it comes to running we haven't learned that much in 40 years, because the principles of training remain much the same. It isn't rocket science - but hard work.

This is incorrect.

Look at the Ingebrigtsens' training and tell me who was training like that 40 years ago.

Armstronglivs wrote:

think first wrote:

Athletes were much more doped 40 years ago.

Today they are better trained, have better nutrition, recovery methods and resources. And better shoes.

So, according to that logic, doping produces far inferior performances. So, it's really a kind of handicapping then? I wonder why so many are concerned to eradicate it. Of course - because it hinders performance.

Why are you bringing doping into the discussion of modern training?

Leave doping aside for a moment.

KiwiG wrote:

Sure. Let’s include rugby, yachting, rowing, board sailing, equestrian, half pipe (whatever the f**k that is). Those are the real powerhouse sports that everyone cares about.

Guess you trying to be sarcastic but don't think it worked well for you there. Pretty sure more watch rugby and yachting than they do track...and they get paid waaaay more.

Rowing is actually cooler to watch than running. IMO

Your boy ran an 8:05.55 final 3200m.

With a best of 4:50.01 over 2000m, maybe he'd make a good run for Komen's 7:58 2-mile WR in the next couple of years.

jeff tallon wrote:

bulldust! there is no way in hell clean europeans could outrun doped kenyans,who are quite simply born to run,and born to run well.Even doped europeans would struggle to keep up to even the best clean kenyan runners.

Who were these Kenyans the European outran? Methinks there were a few Ethiopians.

reheh wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So, according to that logic, doping produces far inferior performances. So, it's really a kind of handicapping then? I wonder why so many are concerned to eradicate it. Of course - because it hinders performance.

Why are you bringing doping into the discussion of modern training?

Leave doping aside for a moment.

Because he is claiming athletes "were much more doped forty years ago" and yet are faster today. If they are faster today it is because "modern training" is doped.

reheh wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The truth is that when it comes to running we haven't learned that much in 40 years, because the principles of training remain much the same. It isn't rocket science - but hard work.

This is incorrect.

Look at the Ingebrigtsens' training and tell me who was training like that 40 years ago.

That is exactly what doping enables.

just a kenyan dude that got 13.12 named koech. Only competitive kenyan at 5000m now is Kimeli, but he got crushed my Katir in Gateshead who again was beaten by Jakob in Florence.

Armstronglivs wrote:

reheh wrote:

This is incorrect.

Look at the Ingebrigtsens' training and tell me who was training like that 40 years ago.

That is exactly what doping enables.

Canova is right. You are stubborn and you don't know anything about elite training post-1980 (doping or no doping), because you totally ignore advances in training methods.

I know a coach who uses the Inges' type of training with teenagers. I would bet all my money that not one of them is doped. And yet they do the same type of training as some people believe that is the new key to success.

You know, I could easily do the Inges' training with maybe 20 mi/week less because I don't have time to get the necessary recovery. And I don't even take vitamins or supplements, let alone dope.

erico12343 wrote:

just a kenyan dude that got 13.12 named koech. Only competitive kenyan at 5000m now is Kimeli, but he got crushed my Katir in Gateshead who again was beaten by Jakob in Florence.

Koech was actually the second pacemaker who stayed in the race.

Good luck for Spain and Mohammed Katir

I hope he will stay away from any doping circles.

This is taken and translated from his Spanish Wiki:

Born in Morocco, he has lived in Mula (Murcia) since he was five years old. Katir stood out very early as an athlete competing with the UCAM Atletismo Cartagena, with which he was proclaimed champion of Spain in youth cross-country racing, and broke numerous Murcia records in various age categories, including absolute. 1

In 2019 he was first in the 3000 meter race of the Spanish Indoor Championship and performed the minimum for the Glasgow Europeans ; However, as he still did not have Spanish nationality, he could not compete as a Spaniard in the absolute category, so he was not proclaimed national champion nor could he go to the Europeans. 1 In October of that same year, he finally obtained Spanish nationality. 2

On December 31, 2020, Katir achieved sixth place in the general classification of the San Silvestre Vallecana , in which he was second Spanish and also second in the sub-23 category with a record of 28:38. 3

On January 29, 2021, during the World Indoor Gold Tour in Karlsruhe, he achieved the best European record of the year and third best Spanish record in history with 7: 35.29 in the 3000-meter test, in a race that Bethwell Birgen won with 7: 34.12, best world record of the year. 4 5 6 This mark allowed him to go to the European Championship , where he won in his international debut, the fourth place in the final of 3000 m. 7

On May 23, 2021 he achieved his first victory in a Diamond League event, the 5000 m held in Gateshead , also achieving the Olympic minimum for the Tokyo Games. 8 A few weeks later, on June 10, 2021, he broke Spain's record for the same distance at the Diamond league meeting in Florence with a time of 12:50:79.

If you have talent, you dont need to start training at the age 10 or 15.

Sifan Hassan and Aouita which were unfavored by initial conditions are good example of that.

If others are training like the Ingebrigtsens then we should expect to see them enjoy similar success, because the Ingebrigtsens' success is being attributed to their training methods. But we aren't seeing others succeeding by the same methods. That suggests the Ingebrigtsens have something else going on. I bet they do.

Passant wrote:

If you have talent, you dont need to start training at the age 10 or 15.

Sifan Hassan and Aouita which were unfavored by initial conditions are good example of that.

If you have talent then you can also be much better than many others if you choose to dope.

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you have talent then you can also be much better than many others if you choose to dope.

All runners have a life of expectation, they peak for some years and they fade.

Look at the example of Mo Farah, he has almost no trace as Junior and he peaked after the age of 25.

Armstronglivs wrote:

If others are training like the Ingebrigtsens then we should expect to see them enjoy similar success, because the Ingebrigtsens' success is being attributed to their training methods. But we aren't seeing others succeeding by the same methods. That suggests the Ingebrigtsens have something else going on. I bet they do.

Talent aint an attribute at all in your book? Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran the 8.2 km long Siddisløpet in 29.56 when he was 11 years old, before he started to train with his older brothers. Helped by blood doping maybe?

Ikke gidd å svare idioten. Han er fullstendig hekta på tanken at det MÅ være doping involvert. Han er som en Trump-tilhenger som mener det MÅ ha vært valgfusk i 2020 - selv om det finnes null bevis, og 60 søksmål ble avvist av retten.

Nor-way wrote:

Ikke gidd å svare idioten. Han er fullstendig hekta på tanken at det MÅ være doping involvert. Han er som en Trump-tilhenger som mener det MÅ ha vært valgfusk i 2020 - selv om det finnes null bevis, og 60 søksmål ble avvist av retten.

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