Joshua Cheptegei 10,000m record assault - Official Discussion Thread 

Incredible world records by two great athletes and how about the THIRD world record!

Sonia O’Sullivan crushed it with the most”you knows” ever in commentary... goodness gracious she really needs to extend her vocabulary... every sentence she spoke included at least three ‘you knows’... so much for a Villanova education! Thank goodness for Rob Walker who did a fine job.

We will see soon as he will be in hm worlds in 10 days.

cool runnings 2020 wrote:

George213 wrote:

With cooler weather, he certainly stands a chance for sub-26.

FWIW the Norwegian broadcast said it's 22C. I don't know if they get mesurments for the stadium, or they just looked up some weather forcast.

But I'm inclined to belive they get it from the stadium.

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

Great announcing. That's Tim Hutchings right? And Sonia O'Sullivan. They definitely set the expectations and gave a good history of the event for non-runners to understand.

No not Hutchings actually. The commentator is Rob Walker, who always gets overlooked but is a frequent partner with Hutchings and Cram. I'd say he is the most enthusiastic and excitable of the three. He really does do it up, but only when the moment is right.

He commentated on the WVN 400m World Record too:

SUPERIOR COACH, see my post from yesterday (page 1 on this thread):

objectiveobserver wrote:

"I maintain what I have predicted in another thread: 26:10. 5000m WR doubled adding 1 minute.

Bananabreads prediction seems more based om wishful thinking than on specific evaluation."

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

Great announcing. That's Tim Hutchings right? And Sonia O'Sullivan. They definitely set the expectations and gave a good history of the event for non-runners to understand.

No not Hutchings actually. The commentator is Rob Walker, who always gets overlooked but is a frequent partner with Hutchings and Cram. I'd say he is the most enthusiastic and excitable of the three. He really does do it up, but only when the moment is right.

He commentated on the WVN 400m World Record too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG91krXuxyw&t=207s&ab_channel=Olympic

I actually like Hutchings the best of the 3. He get's pretty into it as well

Cancel Jimmys wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

i respect the record and the accomplishment, but now after seeing a mens and womens 5k and mens 10k record with the lights, i believe the lights need to go. It actually worsens the viewing experience. Takes away the drama. It is interesting to follow the clock and keep track of splits. See how runners respond to be a second slow or fast on laps.

and seeing three perfectly paced records from gun to finish, you know they are seeing the lights and they are having a huge affect on the performances.

That's your opinion. I want to the the limits of humans pushed. Give me pacers and lights and go for it. Even the old WRs had pacers. Deal with it.

But as someone put it nicely, the Wavelight made it look like they're running on a treadmill, just too artificial or "robotic". Pacing is an art, but Wavelight spoiled it for me. I have no trouble embracing technology, but I think there should be a limit.

high school xc coach wrote:

i respect the record and the accomplishment, but now after seeing a mens and womens 5k and mens 10k record with the lights, i believe the lights need to go. It actually worsens the viewing experience. Takes away the drama..

Completely disagree, if anything the lights constantly clipping at their heels made me more anxious through both races as you can see when they lose a second a lap or so. fantastic addition for viewers (and for the passive watcher who isn't as informed on records/spits etc)

Everyone wants to say the lights help, but only when you're ahead of them. Once you're off the pace it will be a huge blow to confidence mid-race. also people on here acting like the lights make so much of a difference - it makes no difference to your physiology. it's no different to having pacers in a marathon that you can just sit in behind and switch off. grow up people.

Agreed. People talk about limits being pushed, but when shoes are providing actual mechanical assistance like the new-gen spring and foam shoes are, the human limits hasn’t actually changed, but only what technology that’s allowed. Thanks to the shoes and partly the wavelight long-distance running has turned into a complete clown fiesta the last couple of years, with ridiculous performances everywhere. When Gidey splitted a 10k faster than the current 10k WR during a 15k race I lost what little interest I had left. Of course rampant doping is a factor as well, but that was just as much a factor 20-40 years ago so I won’t dive into it. Today I felt about 0% of the thrill I felt watching the 800 WR in London, because then the time was actually comparable with previous eras.

the sport is officially, finally an absolute joke.

how can we reclaim it for clean athletes?

J2k wrote:

Bekele did it in a legitimate race so I think his performance was better of the two.

this was a legitimate race. McSweyn, Gregson, Kipchichir, etc. were all racing also. It has to be otherwise it isnt a valid WR. or maybe you know someone else who can run circa-26:11 that would've put JC under pressure?

Thought not.

It sort of does, as running in a perfectly even pace with follow-up on how you are doing being given every single meter allows for a much higher performance than uneven pacing with follow-up every 200m or so. Clocking in consistent 30-30-30s instead of 30,5-30-29,5s will not allow your body to perform better then it’s capable of (bypass your physical limit) but it will allow you to perform better in terms of time.

Tron wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

and seeing three perfectly paced records from gun to finish, you know they are seeing the lights and they are having a huge affect on the performances.

exactly....they were basically spot on every single lap for all 3 attempts this year. they obviously have the talent i just feel this cheapens it

Some people here seem to have forgotten peripheral vision is a thing.

pupil3142 wrote:

the sport is officially, finally an absolute joke.

how can we reclaim it for clean athletes?

Reclaim ? Who does it belong to ?

So I looked up the weather forecast. Says it's 21C there at the moment. You can also see the curve of how the heat falls from daytime to evening:

https://www.yr.no/place/Spain/Valencia/Valencia/hour_by_hour.html

Great great run, but I think the 27C from weather.com is wildly misleading. Tempratures seemed rather good.

In Toyko I anticipate Rhonex will keep the pace honest early. If he doesn't, Cheptegei will let it go whatever pace they want though 5000 and then blast Farah and the rest after that. Kiplimo and Cheptegei may split leads.

Remember when 27:11 was considered fast? If this isn’t the most obvious thing ever.

Idk, it’s very hard. I’m very tired of seeing artificial performances but it seems that WA is not, as they keep playing into Nikes hands regarding the shoes and into the dopers hands by their absence of serious action. It’s not easy to fix the sport when the governing body wants to cover up for the biggest stars in the sport and their cheating instead of maintaining competetive integrity and fair play.

Results, Pacer Kimeli was 2nd in 27:12, Kipchirchir 3rd in 27:28 https://trackinsun.blogspot.com/