Everyone who can run 400m over hurdles faster than I can run it flat needs their legs broke, that's my view.
Everyone who can run 400m over hurdles faster than I can run it flat needs their legs broke, that's my view.
Is he American ?
But that's like 90% of the population ?
Different approaches wrote:
Warholm has been experimenting
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Oh, I'm sure he has been experimenting!
400m hurdles record will survive the year.
FYI: Before the Winter Olympics in 1994 Norway funded what's now probably the best sports science institute in the world (Think NOP resources many times over, plus non-corporate scientists doing sports science without any is-this-mass-marketable questions dominating the agenda). A place where both winter olympics and summer olympics athletes and coaches meet, mix and share experiences, with science resources to test out anything legal.
Norway is a small country, but with hugh oil reserves under the sea, and no state deficit to speak off). They're putting a lot of money into this, funded by the state. There's also at least one military endurance institute in the area, so don't worry, NATO and the good ol' US military gets to know the good findings stuff too. :-)
Unlike many other nation's one championship focused funding goatits it is still up and running today, better than ever (and since Norway has actually won the Winter Olympic and several separate endurance winter olympics events separate Word champs total medal count several times since then it hasn't been a question about if, only about when, we'll get to see the whole nation rise up the ranks in many summer sports too.
Nordic skiing is still the national sport number one, but the competition has become so fierce there that it has happened more than once that men and women ranked number four or five or sic in the world has been left off their championship teams. Kinda like Ethiopa in the 5000 meters this year, but time and again and again over the last decade.
With Warholm and the Ingebrigtsens now being idols for younger Norweigians it's a pretty safe bet that we'll get to see another bunch of talented young'uns coming up in five to ten years, if not sooner. Their best female skiers are already proving that they can run 10000 in 32 minutes basically without any specialiced training, soon someone 18-20 year old not content with fighting for top three in the world to even get on the national team might decide to switch over and go all in on track - that'll be VERY interresting to see if that happens.
It is interesting how a country with less than 0.1% of the world's population where 90% of the focus is on winter sports can manage to produce the world's best chess player (arguably, of all time), a sub-47 400m hurdler, and a few guys running 3:30-31 - not to mention some other athletics greats (double Olympic champion in the javelin in 2004/2008, etc.).
Helluvadrug, do you know anything about Norwegian sports? And Norway? There is a Helluva lot more testing than in US. Highly suspicious? By the way, don't you have logiccourses at college?
A, you are sure. And how are you sure? By Heavenly inspiration? Or the trumpian way?
Finn's are not vikings wrote:
After all that talk about Rai vs Samba, looks like those two will be fighting for silver.
One thing is clear: Warholm...is...the...MF...king!!!
Lol...clear as mud. Rai will come out on top in Doha.
Viking power wrote:
It is interesting how a country with less than 0.1% of the world's population where 90% of the focus is on winter sports can manage to produce the world's best chess player (arguably, of all time), a sub-47 400m hurdler, and a few guys running 3:30-31 - not to mention some other athletics greats (double Olympic champion in the javelin in 2004/2008, etc.).
How often was the chess player drug tested?
Five is the magic number wrote:
FYI: Before the Winter Olympics in 1994 Norway funded what's now probably the best sports science institute in the world (Think NOP resources many times over, plus non-corporate scientists doing sports science without any is-this-mass-marketable questions dominating the agenda). A place where both winter olympics and summer olympics athletes and coaches meet, mix and share experiences, with science resources to test out anything legal.
https://eng.inn.no/about-inn-university/centres-and-clusters/lillehammer-olympic-and-paralypics-studies-center-loscNorway is a small country, but with hugh oil reserves under the sea, and no state deficit to speak off). They're putting a lot of money into this, funded by the state. There's also at least one military endurance institute in the area, so don't worry, NATO and the good ol' US military gets to know the good findings stuff too. :-)
Unlike many other nation's one championship focused funding goatits it is still up and running today, better than ever (and since Norway has actually won the Winter Olympic and several separate endurance winter olympics events separate Word champs total medal count several times since then it hasn't been a question about if, only about when, we'll get to see the whole nation rise up the ranks in many summer sports too.
Nordic skiing is still the national sport number one, but the competition has become so fierce there that it has happened more than once that men and women ranked number four or five or sic in the world has been left off their championship teams. Kinda like Ethiopa in the 5000 meters this year, but time and again and again over the last decade.
With Warholm and the Ingebrigtsens now being idols for younger Norweigians it's a pretty safe bet that we'll get to see another bunch of talented young'uns coming up in five to ten years, if not sooner. Their best female skiers are already proving that they can run 10000 in 32 minutes basically without any specialiced training, soon someone 18-20 year old not content with fighting for top three in the world to even get on the national team might decide to switch over and go all in on track - that'll be VERY interresting to see if that happens.
First of all, nice london m8. Nearly gave me an aneurysm.
To your points:
Team Ingebrigtsen has functioned almost completely separated from Olympiatoppen since the very beginning. Gjert mentions this in his book released in 2018. By the time Henrik became European champion they didn't even display any interest in learning from Team Ing.
The military collects data on conscripts which they use for researching trends in the population at large. The information exchange from civil research institutes within sports sciences to the military is negligible and not particularly relevant.
Cross country skiing is not the most popular sport in Norway. Football is more popular with a significant margin.
One female cross country skier is capable of running a 10k in 32 minutes. She is the exception and not representative for the average elite skier.
Warholm and the Ingebrigtsens are exceptionally talented and one should not expect to consistently replicate the success they're enjoying.
What Norway has got going for them is the way kids are introduced to sports and how prevalent doing sports is throughout the country. The retention suffers after puberty, but more kids than ever are in the position to really get good without having to sacrifice other aspects of their lives. The "Children's Sports Convention" bans rankings for ages under 11 and suggests delaying specialization as long as possible, although Gjert disagrees with the latter for running.
Warholm was doing decathlon/heptathlon until 2015. 2 years later he's the world champion in the 400m hurdles. Delayed specialization could be a great approach in technical and explosive events that doesn't require the marginal gains from improved running economy. On the other hand I think we will rarely see a marathon WR holder below 30 again.
Kenneth M wrote:
Team Ingebrigtsen has functioned almost completely separated from Olympiatoppen since the very beginning. Gjert mentions this in his book released in 2018. By the time Henrik became European champion they didn't even display any interest in learning from Team Ing.
True to some extent, but a) the lone viking myth is strong and nationally marketable in all of Scandinavia, so any ”memoir” written while they're still active should be taken with a huge grain of salt, and b) the nation of Norway is smaller than many US states, so all the top coatches in all the endurance sports will run into each other here and there learning things on the fly by word of mouth.
Kenneth M wrote:
The military collects data on conscripts which they use for researching trends in the population at large. The information exchange from civil research institutes within sports sciences to the military is negligible and not particularly relevant.
My bad, I should have pointed out that I was mainly thinking about scientist overlap slash crossuse of resources. The military endurance science centers in Norway, Finland and Sweden all sits in the same cities as their sports endurance centers, and in neither case it's the capitol. Draw your own conclusions.
Kenneth M wrote:
Cross country skiing is not the most popular sport in Norway. Football is more popular with a significant margin.
You mean Soccer, right? So it is in Keny to if you count licensed players - which of course says nothing about what sport would be the first choice of young guns given alternatives. Team sports always have better numbers. Though of interest here might be that Team Norway has now hired the coach that lead Island (population approx 250000 if memory serves me) to beat out England 2-1 in the last European Soccer Champs. Don't be surprised if they're in the next World Cup, upsetting some bigger nations there too.
Kenneth M wrote:
One female cross country skier is capable of running a 10k in 32 minutes. She is the exception and not representative for the average elite skier.
One this year. She's not the first to do it. Names don't matter much, but for one skiier Kristin Stormer Steira was a 16 min low seconds 5K runner and 33 min 10 K runner on the backstretch of her carreer when making the national ski team was starting to get hard.
More important names: Grete Waitz and Ingrid Kristiansen (30:13 WR), pure runners in the 80s who's legacy wasn't really carried at that point as skiing emerged as wastly more popular.
All this talk about when Benjamin or samba will break the record and it's going to be Warholm spoiling the show. He takes it out so fast he has a chance to break the other ones if they even attempt to go out with him.
And I just remembered, they also had Vebjorn Rodal who won the Olympic mens 800 meters in 1996 in a still competetive time, a 1,42 something. Norway is not just an emerging world class running nation, they're kinda a re-emering world class running nation it seems.