VIPAM wrote:
He is a slightly better version of Seb Coe, Stev Cram, and Sydney Maree oh yeah and Saud Aouita 1:43.8 800m in one season and 27:20 in only 10000m less than 18 months apart. He is only 22 give him time to get some 45-55 mile weeks for a season or two and watch him all the way to 3000m possibly 5000m.
You are killing me with this b.s.
Brazier is not a better version of Seb Coe. Brazier is likely a slightly worse version.
This guy is passed obessed with my posts. Go troll somewhere else Sir. Insane.
Mapiv
You to simple to comprehend in high schoo of LESS than 30 mpw Brazier ran a 4:07 mile with few atempts and a sub 15:10 x-country 5k. His mikeage is being raised slightly to avoid injuryi just like Benard Lagat.
Brazier has just as much more room to improve his uncanny endurance then any 3:37 debut guy out there...once he consistently over 50 mpw yes sub 3:30 is possible with his speed and undeveloped 1500m endurance.
MAPIV wrote:
VIPAM wrote:
He is a slightly better version of Seb Coe, Stev Cram, and Sydney Maree oh yeah and Saud Aouita 1:43.8 800m in one season and 27:20 in only 10000m less than 18 months apart. He is only 22 give him time to get some 45-55 mile weeks for a season or two and watch him all the way to 3000m possibly 5000m.
You are killing me with this b.s.
Brazier is not a better version of Seb Coe. Brazier is likely a slightly worse version.
Just let this guy be. He needs a new black hero...while putting down white athletes.
VIPAM wrote:
Mapiv
Are you too simple to comprehend in high school ... of LESS than 30 mpw Brazier ran a 4:07 mile with few atempts and a sub 15:10 x-country 5k. His mikeage is being raised slightly to avoid injuryi just like Benard Lagat.
Brazier has just as much more room to improve his uncanny endurance then any 3:37 debut guy out there...once he consistently over 50 mpw yes sub 3:30 is possible with his speed and undeveloped 1500m endurance.
How many more tainted burgers will it take for Brazier to drop below 1:43?
Mapiv
Got a clue. I follow and cheer for NUMEROUS white athletes:
Shelby Houlihan
Shalane Flanagan
Molly Huddle
Colleen Quigley
and many more.
I do not however find the need to put them down to praise Africans or African Americans. In fact my favorite 3 distance runners of ALL-TIME are
Kenenisa Bekele
Joan Benoit Samuelson
Emil Zatopek
Hmmm 2 of 3 are white. Get a clue...Brazier an not fully matured talent and you're acting lile a loser. (Period)
VIPAM
I would like to let you know that some of the stupid posters such as Coevett and you seem to think that other people are following them around. I have only posted in this thread as MAPIV and yet you are so stupid and paranoid, like Coevett, that you assume things which are not true.
VIPAM wrote:
Mapiv
Got a clue. I follow and cheer for NUMEROUS white athletes:
Shelby Houlihan
Shalane Flanagan
Molly Huddle
Colleen Quigley
and many more.
I do not however find the need to put them down to praise Africans or African Americans. In fact my favorite 3 distance runners of ALL-TIME are
Kenenisa Bekele
Joan Benoit Samuelson
Emil Zatopek
Hmmm 2 of 3 are white. Get a clue...Brazier an not fully matured talent and you're acting lile a loser. (Period)
I am not Mapiv.
I like that you like Donavan Brazier. I also respect Brazier. I do not believe you are aware how rare it is to be elite at both 800m & 1500m. As listed currently on IAAF.org, there are 136 sub-1:44 800m men; there are 111 sub-3:32 1500m men. There is not significant over lap amongst elite 800m men and elite 1500m men. Are there more than two dozen on both lists? Most likely not. Enjoy the fact that Brazier is on the sub-1:44 800m list. Counting on Brazier getting on sub-3:32 1500m list is not realistic. If he does get on sub-3:32 list, it would be a real surprise. I assume you are a U.S. citizen. Too often in U.S., fans of T&F pressure elite 800m runners to move up and race 1500m/one mile. Enjoy 800m runners at that distance.
I'd suggest that after alternating between two types -400/800 (Harbig, Fiasconaro, Juantorena) and 800/1500 types (Snell, Wattle, Ovett, Cram) with Coe arguably in either camp, the 800m has moved to far more of an extended sub-maximal sprint, than a middle-distance event.
Now you either have 800m specialists, or speed-based 800m runners who would be far better at 400m than 1500m. I doubt we'll see an Olympic 800m winner who could run a decent half marathon (as did Ovett) again.
Brazier looks far, more like the 400/800m type than does even someone as speedy as Coe. It's hard to imagine Brazier beating solid distance runners over 4 miles on the road, as did Coe.
Even if he did go up in distance - and I'm sure he could run a very creditable 1500m - he's not the sort of runner to do rounds of the 1500m at a championship event.
Cavorty wrote:
I'd suggest that after alternating between two types -400/800 (Harbig, Fiasconaro, Juantorena) and 800/1500 types (Snell, Wattle, Ovett, Cram) with Coe arguably in either camp, the 800m has moved to far more of an extended sub-maximal sprint, than a middle-distance event.
Now you either have 800m specialists, or speed-based 800m runners who would be far better at 400m than 1500m. I doubt we'll see an Olympic 800m winner who could run a decent half marathon (as did Ovett) again.
Brazier looks far, more like the 400/800m type than does even someone as speedy as Coe. It's hard to imagine Brazier beating solid distance runners over 4 miles on the road, as did Coe.
Even if he did go up in distance - and I'm sure he could run a very creditable 1500m - he's not the sort of runner to do rounds of the 1500m at a championship event.
Cavorty wrote:
I'd suggest that after alternating between two types -400/800 (Harbig, Fiasconaro, Juantorena) and 800/1500 types (Snell, Wattle, Ovett, Cram) with Coe arguably in either camp, the 800m has moved to far more of an extended sub-maximal sprint, than a middle-distance event.
Now you either have 800m specialists, or speed-based 800m runners who would be far better at 400m than 1500m. I doubt we'll see an Olympic 800m winner who could run a decent half marathon (as did Ovett) again.
I also have the impression that in the last ca. 30 years the 800m have become a specialty of their own. Already Cruz and Gray were no way as good at either 400 or 1500m and Kipketer and Rudisha rarely ran anything else.
Whereas with more importance of endurance (and maybe EPO) the 1500m and 5000m have become closer and more "slow" people can run very fast 1500m, like the Ingebrigstens.
As for Brazier: Why would he want to become a sub 3:32 runner if he could be become a sub 1:42 runner which much rarer and a far better chance at global golds?
His PRs at 800 and 10k are basically the same as Alan Webb's. Webb specialized in the 1500 and eventually got to 3:30. Brazier is talented, but he should stay at 800 to try for a medal. He's a 3:31 guy max at 1500, which can win a medal for sure, but the race better play out tactically perfect for him.
when did brazier run a 27:30 10k??
lollll wrote:
when did brazier run a 27:30 10k??
He’d have to pull a Meza to even come close.
unrated wrote:
His PRs at 800 and 10k are basically the same as Alan Webb's. Webb specialized in the 1500 and eventually got to 3:30. Brazier is talented, but he should stay at 800 to try for a medal. He's a 3:31 guy max at 1500, which can win a medal for sure, but the race better play out tactically perfect for him.
Brazier will never be able to sniff a 3:35. He'll always be about the 100th in the world in the 1500. At best.
He's also only a mid 1:43 runner at best. Obviously will not be even in the top 10 by the end of year. Not sure why the unnecessary hype?
no not really fanboy wrote:
unrated wrote:
His PRs at 800 and 10k are basically the same as Alan Webb's. Webb specialized in the 1500 and eventually got to 3:30. Brazier is talented, but he should stay at 800 to try for a medal. He's a 3:31 guy max at 1500, which can win a medal for sure, but the race better play out tactically perfect for him.
Brazier will never be able to sniff a 3:35. He'll always be about the 100th in the world in the 1500. At best.
He's also only a mid 1:43 runner at best. Obviously will not be even in the top 10 by the end of year. Not sure why the unnecessary hype?
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Stupidity must be your strong suit. I would be surprised if Brazier doesnt hit another pb and run AT LEAST sub 1:43.25.
VIPAM wrote:
I remember the name Donovan Brazier when he ran 4:07 in high school and wondered why he was in more mile races. He never trained for the 1500m/mile or cross country...yet he also posted a sub 15:10 x-country 5km. Donovan will never be a 44.9 400m man but he doea have good speed for an 800m runner and great speed for a 1500m specialist combine with uncanny endurance of low mileage.
Donovan jyst like Ajee will never hold the 800m or 1500m WR but can be world threats in either event. If they focused their training on the 1500m (while in their prime) I think both will be better at the meteric mile then they will ever be at 800m. It will also might vastly improve their 800m tactics, pb, and ways they can run the shorter event.
Capabilities with several 1500m yrs training:
D. Brazier 3:28.2
A. Wilson 3:55.4
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. You say Brazier will be a better 1500m runner than 800m. Eat it boy!
This held up well and the 1500m prediction will hold up well in the future. He'd have already run 3:35 or better with an attempt in Europe. Kaki ran 3:31 in one of his earliest attempts, I think. Brazier has already run 1:42.34 AR and CR. He's quite likely to get into the 1:41s and he's got something Coe never got, a World or Olympic title at the 800m. Will he ever get a 1500m crown as well? I doubt it, because I doubt he'll ever try, but low 3:30s are in the offing next year if he gives it a shot at a fast venue with competition and pacers.
zcxvvczx wrote:
Brazier, who spells his first name with two A's, not two O's, has run 1:43.55/3:37 and is running a career high of 35 mpw now. The odds of him running low 3:30s are pretty good. He has a great chance at breaking Johnny Gray's American record of 1:42.60 in the 800m this year after getting the indoor record. His ultimate ceiling in the 1500m depends on how seriously he takes it.
Everyone said the same thing about Tirunesh when I said she would go sub 30 min 10000m. Mow as far as speed wasn't Stev Cram a lowz1:42 and Sen Coe 1:41.7 800m men who both ran sub 3:30 multiple times. So can Donovan Brazier...you forget he ran 4:07 mile in high school of less then 30 mpw!!!!!