Cece Telfer Fairness Discussion

If the Equality Act or its equivalent ever becomes federal law, testosterone levels won't even be part of the discussion anymore. As I understand it, men who assert a female identity would be allowed to compete as women without any treatment whatsoever and preventing them from doing so would be a violation of law. If that happens, I guess the NCAA will have to update their rationale for why it is fair for FtM transgender athletes to compete against women:

" It is also important to know that any strength and endurance advantages a transgender woman arguably may have as a result of her prior testosterone levels dissipate after about one year of estrogen or testosterone-suppression therapy. According to medical experts on this issue, the assumption that a transgender

woman competing on a women’s team would have a competitive advantage outside the range of performance

and competitive advantage or disadvantage that already exists among female athletes is not supported by

evidence."

Sure, but I have the same problem with MtF guys as I do with blade runners completing in normal races, if they are there to compete and lose, no problem, once they start winning and setting records it is likely the rules will change to disadvantage them in some way until they lose more often.

Sorry, misspoke. I meant MtF transgender athletes...

Q: why is this not happening in D1?

A: because the NCAA would be forced to put a stop to this farce if It were tried on the biggest stage, at this point. Also, any D1 coach that puts a man on the track to beat up on women will be shamed by their peers, as well the should.

darkwave wrote:

Based primarily on Harper's thoughts, I've come to the conclusion that testosterone ain't perfect, but is the best we can do. As a female runner, I will welcome any one who has transitioned from male to female, as long as they've also lowered their testosterone levels to the required amount.

What about FtM individuals that take high quantities of testosterone to transition. Should they be allowed to artificially raise T levels? If so, to what level?

darkwave wrote:

The single best thing I've read on this subject is Ross Tucker's interview a few years back with Dr. Joanna Harper, who is a runner, an exercise physiologist, and MtF transgender.

https://sportsscientists.com/2016/05/hyperandrogenism-women-vs-women-vs-men-sport-qa-joanna-harper/?doing_wp_cron=1559495067.1610889434814453125000

Based primarily on Harper's thoughts, I've come to the conclusion that testosterone ain't perfect, but is the best we can do. As a female runner, I will welcome any one who has transitioned from male to female, as long as they've also lowered their testosterone levels to the required amount.

I feel much less welcoming of CeCe Telfer, as I do not believe that she has lowered her testosterone levels to the IAAF level.

In the interview above, Harper notes that having MtF athletes compete with unaltered testosterone levels will set back the acceptance of transgender athletes. That's exactly what I think we're seeing here.

I just don't get it, we are talking about chemically altering one's body in order to compete in track and field. This is just insane. I understand there are people out there that feel a certain way and want to transition, but the one thing that holds sports in place is that they are supposed to be fair. Competition is supposed to be an even playing field, and in some of these cases it's like bringing a knife to gun fight for these ladies and that is just not fair.

I'm constantly amazed at the number of facists that post on these boards.

We’re making this way harder than it needs to be. The solution here is incredibly simple.

Genetic women compete in the women’s division. Everyone else in the open/male division. If you want to transition from male to female and still compete, that’s great. You’re competing with the same people you’ve always been with. Women wanting to transition to men and do so with hormone treatment also compete in the male/open division. Done.