Oh yeah he would of ran faster in adidas!
6% faster
Oh yeah he would of ran faster in adidas!
6% faster
ALL shoes are a form of enhancement. ALL shoes are a form of protection. ALL shoes help you run faster, safer and better times.
Maybe there should be WRs for fastest times running barefoot, but of course ABSOLUTELY NONE of the shoe companies in the World are interrested in that.
I'm OK with all that though, I don't plan to go back to my 1980s landline phone and I don't think running should go back to old technology either. Progress is good. Competition between brands is the American Way. Let the other shoe companies come up with even better shoes. That's the way it oughta be!
Pistol Shooting and Archery both still exist as Olympic events.
They didn't phase out Archery because superior technology now exists. However they did recognize that it exists as a separate entity.
By the same token, they should retain the Marathon World Record for actual running shoes and have another for bouncing along in these hybrid running / pogo stick type affairs.
Out of hand! wrote:
This in now getting out of hand, after 2.01.39 was run in Berlin and now an extra two faster times than the old WR in London (a slower course then Berlin) after an upgraded model of the 4% (Next%) were launched shows that theses shoes are against IAAF regulations. Nike shouldn’t be allowed to pay their way out of this one; the evidence is against their favour. You’d have to be stupid not to recognise this.
Y’all really complain about the damn shoes every other post. It’s not freaking EPO guys.
Five is the magic number wrote:
ALL shoes are a form of enhancement. ALL shoes are a form of protection. ALL shoes help you run faster, safer and better times.
Maybe there should be WRs for fastest times running barefoot, but of course ABSOLUTELY NONE of the shoe companies in the World are interrested in that.
I'm OK with all that though, I don't plan to go back to my 1980s landline phone and I don't think running should go back to old technology either. Progress is good. Competition between brands is the American Way. Let the other shoe companies come up with even better shoes. That's the way it oughta be!
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I can only see one; moron! wrote:
idiots everywhere wrote:
Why tf some people still believe the Vaporfly makes athletes run even 1 second faster?? Do you know what economy is dummy? Kipchoge ran a tactical 2:03:05 without Vapoflys in London before, a chubby Bekele (hold on a sec chubby bekele; fu** off di**head haha you’re a fool) produced a 2:03:03 in Berlin also without any marketing stunt on his feet, Keitany's second half in NYC last year was ran in some old adidas shoes etc. (She’s a mega talent) Probably the creators of such threads are a) either hired by nike to keep people stupid or b) brainless idiots who don't follow the sport enough.
Right matey good imagination! Haha fool
The shoe is literally called the Next% to symbolise an improvement on the 4%.
That percentage in an improvement on running economy. Running economy has said to be a better performance indicator than Vo2max especially over a marathon.
Let me not have to explain why running economy is so important; look it up drongo or use your mind. Race pace>Oxygen>less time for race. (Quicker times for a given effort). BTW dic*hea* Bekele is the GOAT and has much more talent then Kipchoge but has struggled with injury. So saying that he ran 2.03 without Vaporflys does nothing; imagine what he’d have run with them! The 2.03 Kipchoge ran wasn’t tactical, if so you could say Bekele’s 2.03 with Kipsang was ‘tactical’. I’m not saying Kipchoge isn’t a HUGE TALENT HE IS AND SO IS BEKELE. However, now others are running quicker as well with the Vaporflys.
Bekele, Kipchoge and Kipsang are mega talents capable of running 2.03’s without the shoes. To see others running times like these regularly with the shoes and no one else near without is crazy. #stoplettingnikepaytheirwayout!
I love Bekele (he still is the GOAT indeed), but everyone knows he ran 2:03:03 on something like 80% fitness only, so he's the living proof faster times should be possible with more dedication.
Btw, Kimetto, Mutai, Makau, Adola (all not even Nike sponsored) and Biwott ran 2:03's without Vaporflys, so they're special mega talents too? Also some newcomers like Stephen Kiprop, Joan Melly or even Joyciline Jepkosgei produced amazing times without Vaporflys. It's amazing how nike is fooling people just by naming their shoes "Next%" or "4%".
Robin Hood wrote:
Pistol Shooting and Archery both still exist as Olympic events.
They didn't phase out Archery because superior technology now exists. However they did recognize that it exists as a separate entity.
Please, if you think pistols and bows are the same now as even twenty years ago...
Olympic Biathlon Gold Medal Bjorn Ferry said when he retired that the biggest change over his career was in rifle improvment, AND preseason weapons handling. He actually hired a professional guy to shoot thousands of shots with more than ten rifles every summer, the used the 2-3 most stable ones during the season. A tenth of millimeter off in production could mean a few extra misses during a season, on the wrong day the difference between gold medalist and an also-ran.
Romantize the good old days all you want, they're not coming back, at least not the same way they were back then.
Seems like Americans will look for anything to discount the fastest runners in the would all to justify our mediocrity in international distance running. Every pro/elite runner in the U.S. could wear Vapor Flys (legal) and do EPO (illegal) and they would still not win any major marathon or get in the top 100 times at year end.
People tend not to care unless it's something you put inside your body and/or it's being used by people you don't like for whatever reason.
As an example, there was little outcry when Paula Radcliffe was wearing compression socks, nose strips and back braces (and it'd be pretty difficult to argue she was wearing these for anything other than performace-enhancing reasons).
These shoes will probably be fine in the end.
Watching him train is kinda hilarious. The shoes look super bulky when he’s walking/jogging.
Watching him walk/jog in them is pretty hilarious. They look super bulky.
EPO/Performance enhancing drugs are dangerous and you risk health. Shoes are shoes.
I'm perfectly fine with ban, restrictions, ... whatever. But, with shoes what would be the parameters for restictions or allowable construction? Type of foam, foam thickness, materials that create stiffness (e.g., carbon fiber)? Specifically for the vaporfly what modifications would be required to make the shoe acceptable.
I saw this trending and I thought that the IAAF or something like that actually banned them
You realize Kipchoge and every other racer has had this tech for 3 years now right?
Like he's still winning and improving using the same tech- in fact he ran faster in the less % 6 months ago. So he's run a 2:03 without these shoes a 2:04:00 with insoles popping out.
OK Ban'em wrote:
I'm perfectly fine with ban, restrictions, ... whatever. But, with shoes what would be the parameters for restictions or allowable construction? Type of foam, foam thickness, materials that create stiffness (e.g., carbon fiber)? Specifically for the vaporfly what modifications would be required to make the shoe acceptable.
On the same train of thought
For everyone saying not to ban them, where do you draw the line?
What would constitute a ban worthy shoe?
And you can’t say nothing unless you fine with people using roller blades
Five is the magic number wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Pistol Shooting and Archery both still exist as Olympic events.
They didn't phase out Archery because superior technology now exists. However they did recognize that it exists as a separate entity.
Please, if you think pistols and bows are the same now as even twenty years ago...
You've missed the point.
It's not that pistol and archery equipment haven't both become superior / had technology improvements. It's about recognizing that Pistols are Pistols and Bows and Arrows are Bows And Arrows. They are two fundamentally different things.
Trying to argue that the hybrid piece of equipment called "Vaporflys" are the same as running shoes (just with improvements in technology) although a charmingly quaint viewpoint is like arguing that a pistol is still effectively a bow and arrow just with improved mechanics.
The Frankfurt School wrote:
As an example, there was little outcry when Paula Radcliffe was wearing compression socks, nose strips and back braces...
Paula? Back Braces? I'd like to know more about this!
olyrun wrote:
Seems like Americans will look for anything to discount the fastest runners in the would all to justify our mediocrity in international distance running. Every pro/elite runner in the U.S. could wear Vapor Flys (legal) and do EPO (illegal) and they would still not win any major marathon or get in the top 100 times at year end.
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idiots everywhere wrote:
Why tf some people still believe the Vaporfly makes athletes run even 1 second faster?? Kipchoge ran a tactical 2:03:05 without Vapoflys in London before, a chubby Bekele produced a 2:03:03 in Berlin also without any marketing stunt on his feet, Keitany's second half in NYC last year was ran in some old adidas shoes etc. Probably the creators of such threads are a) either hired by nike to keep people stupid or b) brainless idiots who don't follow the sport enough.
This.
Why you all Nike haters don't count in the weather at London? The temperature was close to perfect yesterday and almost no wind. If Eliud could run 2:03:05 without VF then I'd assume getting 30 sec faster per 26.2 miles isn't that big of a deal.