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4:49 as a freshman to 4:10/sub 4:10 before graduation is a leap, quite a big leap.
Also just curious why his school/situation can’t accomplish this. Can he just do nite mileage outside of practice and on the weekends?
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OP, why don't you coach him yourself?
It is not exactly rocket science to improve a high-schooler, especially one who is willing to run 50-60+ mpw.
1) You're right next to a D1 college, which has it's own track team and excellent track coach. Don't move away to some better high school. Most college track teams would be flattered to have some high school kid look up to them and want to be around them. This isn't Duke basketball with bodyguards and groupies, ffs.
Your kid could surely meet a bunch of the team members and some of the coaches just by running on their track and being friendly. And how many fans show up to watch their track meets? Your kid could be their #1 fan almost by default.
Get an online coach for him, have him hob-knob with the track team this summer, and see if he can get some tips from an assistant D1 coach, and maybe even get to train with one/some of the track team once in a while.
Moving him to another town means moving him away from the best track minds and athletes in your region.
And you could literally pay one of the D1 athletes to train your kid in the summer. If you have money, it wouldn't take much of it to make a college athlete be your son's new best friend for the summer. Maybe even all through the school year too.
What college track athlete wouldn't like to get paid to coach and train with a local high school kid?
You're in exactly the right situation, don't think that moving your family around or taking your kid out of his school is going to make him a more talented runner. He either has the talent or he doesn't, but he's in an ideal situation. He has involved parents with money, and he's right next to a D1 track program.
Send me thousands and then I'll tell you it likely won't happen. Look up on milesplit how many frosh boys run that or faster every year. Then look at how many crack 4:10.
You're either a troll, an idiot or a wishful parent who thinks their kid is the next Pre. I know that may sound harsh but come on already. Learn about the sport in which your kid is so wannabe.
Troll vs thanks for saying that so I didn’t have to
Cant find it on google wrote:
His school can’t accomplish this. Needs a coach and a team to train with at least over the summer. Any ideas?
I’d pay for the coach and the training partners.
If you are being serious, just get in contact with CoachJS.
With him as coach the runner dont need any training partners to succeed, just a stopwatch and a heart rate monitor.
Good input (mostly) so far. I agree that I can cobble together a decent training program or find a good online coach. The hard part is training partners. Most of you would agree that training with others is better than training alone. A good piece of advice was hiring a college D1 kid to run miles/tempos/hills etc with him over the summer so 70mpw is a little more tolerable. And maybe a partner will help to push the pace.
As for the 410 mile, I realize that’s a lofty goal, but I like that he’s thinking it. The reason that’s the number is because even the worst D1 or ivy schools tell me they require 410 or they won’t even look at a kid. I think that’s BS, but it’s what I hear across the board. If 420 is recruitable, then this is reasonable to try too. Again, seems like it’s hard to get there without a high mileage school program or solid training partners.
Forget about running partners . The kid should run his individual best paces in training, not someone elses . And its just good to learn to pace himself.
look up local studs on Strava. folks on Strava are on there because they want to be social. most folks will run with someone at least once if they are willing to show up. probably again if they aren't annoying. also, I'm sure there are older marathon half marathon guys that would be glad to have someone keep a long tempo consistent. also, show your kid you care and you aren't a fat turd and ride a bike along with him while he runs. hell, get your old ass back in shape and do easy runs with him. maybe you're now fat and you are the one that needs a coach to get to where you could do this? I'd say a lot of dads would kill to get to be able to do this. also, make a team. recruit kids to run. coach them all. ride with them while they run.
You can pay anybody but it's not going to happen.
Just don't pay any scholastic athletes to train with him. Play it safe with their eligibility. Also they have their own goals and dreams to chase and i kind of doubt they would want to workout with a kid of his ability.
When these D1 and Ivy schools say 4:10, I'm assuming they mean for scholarship, not to be on the team. No? Because you're right, that is BS. Just inaccurate
Darfur Orpchan is way off on all of his points.
That's not how this works. That's not how ANY of this works.
College kids do not want to hang out with teeny boppers.
Paying a college athlete because of their status as such is sketchy territory. Smells of NCAA violation.
Troll vs stupid or both wrote:
Send me thousands and then I'll tell you it likely won't happen. Look up on milesplit how many frosh boys run 4:49 every year. Then look at how many crack 4:10.
I don't have a milesplit membership, but I'm curious to know the numbers. I went from about 5:15 to 4:17 in high school with fairly inconsistent training and moderate mileage, so OP's son's goal doesn't seem crazy to me. I would guess that there are a lot more 4:49 freshman than 4:10 seniors for a few reasons:
1. It requires commitment, smart training, and a bit of luck. Plenty of 4:49 guys don't like running and don't run for 4 years.
2. A lot of 4:49 freshman have been running a ton prior to high school (as runners or team sport athletes), so don't have four years of easy growth that the average freshman runner enjoys.
3. A lot of 4:49 freshman have gone through puberty and will improve less quickly than less mature teammates.
4. People get injured and/or quit so the denominator shrinks.
If OP's son is fairly new to running, not a grown man, is smart, and loves running, I like his chances.
Cant find it on google wrote:
His school can’t accomplish this. Needs a coach and a team to train with at least over the summer. Any ideas?
I’d pay for the coach and the training partners.
Sounds like a parenting problem- assuming that's you- rather than a coaching problem
I scoured milesplit. Average improvement is 15 seconds from freshman year to senior year. I will give him about 4:30 his senior year. I would bet any amount of money that he doesn’t run 4:10 ever.
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I know this is a troll but a 4:10 mile is about a 14:30 5k.
More like 14:15
What state do you live in?