Well we are at 21 posts. A Moroccan running 331 for a middle eastern country is obviously on the sauce. It's just so 2006.
Well we are at 21 posts. A Moroccan running 331 for a middle eastern country is obviously on the sauce. It's just so 2006.
Kaazouzi and of course Souleiman are both highly suspect in my opinion. Souileman with long time Aden association, based in Spain, and with a Spanish manager. It has all become pretty silly, honestly.
El Keniano wrote:
I can't believe this isn't being mentioned while the busting of the #167 Kenyan marathoner was headline news.
Do we know what Mikhou got pinched with?
El Keniano wrote:
They’re still not busting western runners, though.
As predictable as a clock, El Keniano always hating on the west. From telling other posters in here to kill themselfs, to continuing with your western-world hate, do you ever think "wtf am I doing being this negative factor to this website about the sport I love" ?
Funny stuff wrote:
Ezekiel bread wrote:
Spain isn't a good example since they are very dirty country.
Then they are all dirty. Much harder to avoid testing in Spain. When was the last time a Spanish marathoner failed a test?
Spain is dirty(not everyone obviously) too and anti-doping testing doesn't seem to be working. Latest busts have been done by police due to cheaters trafficking on top of using drugs for themselves.
Barakus Obama wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
They’re still not busting western runners, though.
As predictable as a clock, El Keniano always hating on the west. From telling other posters in here to kill themselfs, to continuing with your western-world hate, do you ever think "wtf am I doing being this negative factor to this website about the sport I love" ?
Hi, Barakus. How kind of you to tear yourself off from the nascent far-right politics in your unwelcoming arctic town to admonish me over a two-year-old post for which I was unfairly banned. I understand you’re busy having recently been flooded by eight Syrian migrants who have been the cause of much pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth in your ‘rich’ western country. However will you survive this crisis?
El Keniano wrote:
Barakus Obama wrote:
As predictable as a clock, El Keniano always hating on the west. From telling other posters in here to kill themselfs, to continuing with your western-world hate, do you ever think "wtf am I doing being this negative factor to this website about the sport I love" ?
Hi, Barakus. How kind of you to tear yourself off from the nascent far-right politics in your unwelcoming arctic town to admonish me over a two-year-old post for which I was unfairly banned. I understand you’re busy having recently been flooded by eight Syrian migrants who have been the cause of much pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth in your ‘rich’ western country. However will you survive this crisis?
Would you d!psh!ts kindly take your personal denegrations to another thread? It has become tiresome for the rest of us.
These athletes who change nationalities to make an Olympic team are basically demonstrating their willingness to try and get around the rules. It's not a stretch at all to think that many of those exact athletes are going to also try and get around the rules in other ways. The rules do allow for changing nationalities, though, so I don't mean to condemn them all. But I would love to see if there is a disproportionate amount of doping busts among athletes who have changed nationalities as adults versus adult athletes who have kept with their nationality.
No way! A Bahraini runner who burst on the scene getting busted, even two in a week??? This wasn't predicted anywhere, was it?
A couple of the many previous threads from years past about Sadik Mikhou:
El Keniano wrote:
Barakus Obama wrote:
As predictable as a clock, El Keniano always hating on the west. From telling other posters in here to kill themselfs, to continuing with your western-world hate, do you ever think "wtf am I doing being this negative factor to this website about the sport I love" ?
Hi, Barakus. How kind of you to tear yourself off from the nascent far-right politics in your unwelcoming arctic town to admonish me over a two-year-old post for which I was unfairly banned. I understand you’re busy having recently been flooded by eight Syrian migrants who have been the cause of much pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth in your ‘rich’ western country. However will you survive this crisis?
Ah thats the new tactic, people who call you out on your conspiracy bs are far-right supporters. Does there exist a post where you're not trolling? Hmmm.
Back to subject: This is obviously a conspiracy. How do you think it started, and who is pulling the strings? hmmm
El Keniano wrote:
Longdistancerunning wrote:
Actually I think the more reasonable explanation is that when an East African runner decides to represent another country they will now actually have to deal with constant testing. For example, when these athletes represent other countries, most of them have zero affiliation with the country and basically just represent them. They all continue to train in their original country and nothing really changes except they are tested much more and the testers won’t be corrupted with them.
My point is, unlike the Middle Eastern countries or even Ethiopia, there is zero pressure from the Kenyan state to perform at to a certain level. Kenyans are similar to westerners in that, for athletes, the pressure is all their own usually stemming from good old capitalist ethos. Whether it's greed, need for personal glory, trying to be rich and famous, or looking to pay off a loan shark, it's all down to the individual. The Kenyan government couldn't care less. Not so in those other countries.
Agree with most of this, except for the fact that there is 'pressure' to perform in Kenya that doesn't exists at nowhere close the same level in the western world. Almost the opposite. Being a great runner in Kenya, running and producing great marathon results, is life changing. In the western world? You gotta be damn good for it to be worth it compared to what you're sacrificing. This is obviously dependable, e.g Bailey had probably some of the same motivation that a poor Kenyan have.
His Manager is Juan Pedro Pineda de La Losa (from Spain) Let's see his athletes
ARCANJO, Geisa Brazil BRA Women 19 SEP 1991
BETTICHE, Amina Algeria ALG Women 14 DEC 1987
BURKA, Gelete Ethiopia ETH Women 23 JAN 1986
DIBABA, Genzebe Ethiopia ETH Women 08 FEB 1991
IMALI, Maximila Kenya KEN Women 08 FEB 1996
KANDA, Luka Lokobe Kenya KEN Men 1987
KIGEN, Benjamin Kenya KEN Men 05 JUL 1993
KIPROTICH, Filex Kipchirchir Kenya KEN Men 1988
KIRUI, Amos Kenya KEN Men 09 FEB 1998
KISORIO, Mathew Kipkoech Kenya KEN Men 16 MAY 1989
LÓPEZ, Kevin Spain ESP Men 12 JUN 1990
MIKHOU, Sadik Bahrain BRN Men 25 JUL 1990
NASER, Salwa Eid Bahrain BRN Women 23 MAY 1998
SOULEIMAN, Ayanleh Djibouti DJI Men 03 DEC 1992
WAMBUI, Margaret Nyairera Kenya KEN Women 15 SEP 1995
And according to pinedasport.com , another athletes of that crew are:
Luguelin Santos
Yunier Perez
Amine Belferar (coached by Aden before)
Hicham Sigueni
Mouhyadin Waiss (recruited by Aden?)
And many other Kenyans, Ethiopians, Djiboutians and Algerians.
Moreover, look at this quotes:
"...In addition to our headquarters in Spain, we have training camps in Kenya and Ethiopia..."
"...Kenya Training Camp
Eldoret, Kenya.
Our Kenya training camp has been working for over 10 years. With a great international recognition, our training camp has generated important international champions from middle distance to marathon.
PinedaSport staff and infrastructure offer athletes all the facilities to train and recover. Furthermore, our experienced team is there ready to support the athlete in everything he may need. .."
"Ethiopia Training Camp
Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
PinedaSport Ethiopian Training Camp receive every year top Ethiopians and Djiboutians athletes. The result of this work has been a bunch of World Championships and Olympics medals.
Our team is formed by the best coaches, physiotherapists, financial experts... bulding a big family wich helps athlete to grow and achieve the highest level."
#Also, according this website, pinedasport are the organizers of some International meeting like Sabadell Indoor Meeting. Who broke the 2000m indoor WR in Sabadell? Genzebe Dibaba. Surely, she came clean in that doping control.
This Manager Pineda seems to be very fishy According this article, he apparently stole money prices to many Kenyan Runners. And he has an assistant living in Eldoret, Who had an affaire with Abraham Chelanga's wife.
Totally wrote:
Ezekiel bread wrote:
Rupp is in the grey zone. Look at the top ten male runners in the US not name Rupp for a better example.
Well, i dunno. Something is wrong with US running when even a completely unknown Spaniard can run 2:08 yet Americans after Rupp dream of breaking 2:10 one day. None are even below 2:12 i believe. US minus Rupp is a bad example.
This has been discussed before, there are runners in the USA with talent to run 2:10-2:12. The problem is that it is not worth the time to train to run those times, you can not make a decent living running the big time marathons running 2:10-2:12. They are very good times by the way, but in todays environment you have to be able to run ~2:06 and below and then you still may been on the fringe of making a good living. A lot of these guys have to get a real job especially if they have a family and a house, etc. We do not really know what the range is for a "clean" non PED using runner, it is only an educated guess.
Hopefully some of the runners in the 2:03-2:06 range are clean, we will never really know. Kipchoge is another story all together, I hope he is clean, but again no way to prove it one way or the other. How 4:38 pace marathon is very hard to grasp.
broken arrow wrote:
Totally wrote:
Well, i dunno. Something is wrong with US running when even a completely unknown Spaniard can run 2:08 yet Americans after Rupp dream of breaking 2:10 one day. None are even below 2:12 i believe. US minus Rupp is a bad example.
This has been discussed before, there are runners in the USA with talent to run 2:10-2:12. The problem is that it is not worth the time to train to run those times, you can not make a decent living running the big time marathons running 2:10-2:12. They are very good times by the way, but in todays environment you have to be able to run ~2:06 and below and then you still may been on the fringe of making a good living. A lot of these guys have to get a real job especially if they have a family and a house, etc. We do not really know what the range is for a "clean" non PED using runner, it is only an educated guess.
Hopefully some of the runners in the 2:03-2:06 range are clean, we will never really know. Kipchoge is another story all together, I hope he is clean, but again no way to prove it one way or the other. How 4:38 pace marathon is very hard to grasp.
What the US should do is form corporate teams like in Japan.
Ben L Wrong wrote:
His Manager is Juan Pedro Pineda de La Losa (from Spain) Let's see his athletes
ARCANJO, Geisa Brazil BRA Women 19 SEP 1991
BETTICHE, Amina Algeria ALG Women 14 DEC 1987
BURKA, Gelete Ethiopia ETH Women 23 JAN 1986
DIBABA, Genzebe Ethiopia ETH Women 08 FEB 1991
IMALI, Maximila Kenya KEN Women 08 FEB 1996
KANDA, Luka Lokobe Kenya KEN Men 1987
KIGEN, Benjamin Kenya KEN Men 05 JUL 1993
KIPROTICH, Filex Kipchirchir Kenya KEN Men 1988
KIRUI, Amos Kenya KEN Men 09 FEB 1998
KISORIO, Mathew Kipkoech Kenya KEN Men 16 MAY 1989
LÓPEZ, Kevin Spain ESP Men 12 JUN 1990
MIKHOU, Sadik Bahrain BRN Men 25 JUL 1990
NASER, Salwa Eid Bahrain BRN Women 23 MAY 1998
SOULEIMAN, Ayanleh Djibouti DJI Men 03 DEC 1992
WAMBUI, Margaret Nyairera Kenya KEN Women 15 SEP 1995
And according to pinedasport.com , another athletes of that crew are:
Luguelin Santos
Yunier Perez
Amine Belferar (coached by Aden before)
Hicham Sigueni
Mouhyadin Waiss (recruited by Aden?)
And many other Kenyans, Ethiopians, Djiboutians and Algerians.
Moreover, look at this quotes:
"...In addition to our headquarters in Spain, we have training camps in Kenya and Ethiopia..."
"...Kenya Training Camp
Eldoret, Kenya.
Our Kenya training camp has been working for over 10 years. With a great international recognition, our training camp has generated important international champions from middle distance to marathon.
PinedaSport staff and infrastructure offer athletes all the facilities to train and recover. Furthermore, our experienced team is there ready to support the athlete in everything he may need. .."
"Ethiopia Training Camp
Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
PinedaSport Ethiopian Training Camp receive every year top Ethiopians and Djiboutians athletes. The result of this work has been a bunch of World Championships and Olympics medals.
Our team is formed by the best coaches, physiotherapists, financial experts... bulding a big family wich helps athlete to grow and achieve the highest level."
#Also, according this website, pinedasport are the organizers of some International meeting like Sabadell Indoor Meeting. Who broke the 2000m indoor WR in Sabadell? Genzebe Dibaba. Surely, she came clean in that doping control.
This Manager Pineda seems to be very fishy According this article, he apparently stole money prices to many Kenyan Runners. And he has an assistant living in Eldoret, Who had an affaire with Abraham Chelanga's wife.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000105263/why-life-on-the-fast-lane-is-not-always-fabulous-cash-and-glory
This is a really excellent post. You put some effort into this- well done. You can see that many in Pineda's care are current or former Aden athletes.
zxcvxzcv wrote:
A couple of the many previous threads from years past about Sadik Mikhou:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8366184
Well that solves it he must be dirty, even Ghost1 is suspicious of him.?
This obvious doper gets popped, as does Asbel, yet Makh Daddy laughs his way to the bank....
El Keniano wrote:
I can't believe this isn't being mentioned while the busting of the #167 Kenyan marathoner was headline news.
☝️Yeah...but Kalalei won the prestigious Athens Marathon last year. Can you do any better?
Theres food wrote:
Food for though. Even with the doping Mikhou is slower than Jakob I.
But Jakob must be clean. I saw all the episodes of Team Ingebrigtsen and there were no injections or bloodbags!