Are you kidding me? Every woman who started the women's steeple and 5k at NACACs medalled?

The Runnerspace announcers said Lalonde (9:29.99, Oly finalist) had to scratch after banging her knee while training in Europe. Still doesn’t explain why others weren’t running or filling in. I don’t know if there were time standards in place by the meet and/AC, embarrassing anyway you slice it. No Mexican steeplers, 5k, 10k? Very sad to watch. It should be as big a deal as European Champs.

PDong wrote: Dude it's literally right in front of your face.

if you want to point someone to a document called, "List of directly qualified athletes in Semi-Finals" it helps if you avoid referring to it as "start lists," as you did, because there are an actual set of documents called start lists and they neither contain nor refer to the, "List of directly qualified athletes in Semi-Finals," which I have now read, and it makes fascinating reading and I thank you for pointing me to it.

cheers.

Now what even I don't know is who can go to this meet and not the Pan AMs, how does the eligibility different?

I would guess that since it's called, "North American, Central American and Carribean Athletics Association," then folks in South America can go to Pan Am's but not NACAC's, while folks in NACAC's can also go to Pan Am's, but I'm frequently wrong about seemingly obvious stuff. countries also have to be members of NACAC to play in their games. there is a list of members on their website, which you obviously read, right?

No one has explained to me why Canada didn't enter anyone in the women's steeple.

Eligibility criteria for the Canadian Team

1.3 Eligibility

To be eligible to participate in the 2018 NACAC Senior Championships, an athlete must meet all of the following requirements:

• be a registered member of a provincial branch of AC (“Branches”) at the time of qualification and through the 2018 NACAC Senior Championships;

• hold Canadian citizenship by the Selection Date;

• declare interest via the Online Form as per the dates outlined in section 1.2;

• comply with the Final Phase Preparation Requirements as outlined in section 4;

• be otherwise eligible to participate in the 2018 NACAC Senior Championships;

• have a Canadian passport valid for at least 6 months after the 2018 NACAC Senior Championships; and

• compete in the 2018 Canadian Championships*. (*exception: 20k Race Walk)

I suspect the "declare interest," bit might be relevant to your question, if athlete's don't want to go they can't be selected. the top Canadian S/C this year is Geneviève Lalonde who ran 9:35 in Belgium last month versus her pr of 9:29 in London in 2017.

cheers.

rojo wrote:

Could this possibly be true or is the timing company for some reason only listing the medallists (but in other events they are showing more than 3)?

I mean how could the host Canada not enter anyone at home in the women's steeple as they have 7 women who have broken 10:00 this year. But I don't see any DNSs in the results. Were there really only 3 entrants in both events?

What a joke.

I also read that the winners of every race at NACAC's gets an automatic qualifying time for World's next year? Is that true??

Absolutely pathetic effort by Athletics Canada (the organization, not the athletes!).

If you're going to host these Championships, at least field a full team (or even a half full team!).

W1500: Only 7 runners (3 x USA, 2 x CAN (Stafford sisters), 1 x PUR).

W 3000SC: Only 3 runners (all USA, no CAN). Yay! Everyone gets a medal!

W 5000: Only 3 runners (2 x USA, 1 x CAN). Yay! Everyone gets a medal!

W 10,000: Only 4 runners (3 x USA, 1 x CAN)

M 1500: Only 5 runners (2 x USA, 1 x CAN, 1 x CUB, 1 x BER)

M 3000SC: Only 3 runners (all USA, no CAN). Yay! Everyone gets a medal!

M 5000: Only 5 runners (3 x USA, 1 x CAN, 1 x JAM). But a high quality field.

M 10,000: Only 4 runners (3 x USA, 1 x CAN)... 1 DNS from Nicaragua

So 7 Canadian entrants total across the 8 men's and women's events at 1500m and above.

Absolutely pathetic.

Also, why schedule the NACAC Championships just a week and a half after the CAC (Central American and Caribbean) Games in Colombia (July 19-August 3)?

For a lot of the U.S team, this was their first opportunity to represent their country in an international meet.

Athletics Canada, in making almost zero effort to have themselves represented, despite having many available, talented runners in the greater Toronto area, have essentially reduced this meet to a ho-hum all-comers meet. I feel bad for the many Team USA athletes that were really excited about this meet only to be let down by the hosts.

Also, If I was a meeting sponsor, I'd be pissed as hell.

Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

rojo wrote:

Why wouldn't Canada enter a steepler when they had 7 who could have medalled?

You seem to not be grasping that this meet is essentially meaningless. Hence why 30 or so countries are officially participants, yet half the events have only 3 to 5 competitors.

European Championship is as "essentially meaningless" but you don't see the host country not trying to get medals.

Beside the North American countries, the others are small enough to blow it off (yes, I think Guatemala is small). Canada, especially as host, isn't.

Those who say USATF should invest more into US track and field should take note of this meet.

USATF paid for athletes to go to this waste of time meet to give them an opportunity to win some medals and feel good about themselves representing the USA at a half the world championship.

rojo wrote:

Why wouldn't Canada enter a steepler when they had 7 who could have medalled?

Matt Hughes might have even won this meet, he would have had a good shot at Gold.

Really Bro wrote:

Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

You seem to not be grasping that this meet is essentially meaningless. Hence why 30 or so countries are officially participants, yet half the events have only 3 to 5 competitors.

European Championship is as "essentially meaningless" but you don't see the host country not trying to get medals.

Beside the North American countries, the others are small enough to blow it off (yes, I think Guatemala is small). Canada, especially as host, isn't.

Is it though? There's been 3 NACAC's (First in 2007, then 2015, then 2018, impressive scheduling...)

There*s been 24 European Chamionships.

The NACAC doesn't even include all olympic athletics events...

1/4 as many participants...

Ridiculous stadiums with hardly any spectators...

What's viewing figures like at the NACAC? Does it have live broadcasting in most participating countries?

EAC as essentially meaningless as NACAC... Brilliant statement.

Fleshman and Oiselle are going to celebrate the Lawrence victory like it was the Olympics and it will be all because of her coaching. Shhhh about the size of the field.

It seems like the top canadians have been in Europe, doing their own thing. If they don’t see NACACs as consequential in their larger plans then they have every right to skip. Especially if AC isn’t paying. Plus this time of year can be awkward as many track athletes have already peaked and are finishing up their seasons... or getting ready for fall XC if in college. It’s embarassing and obviously undermines the credibility of the meet.

Also NACAC is nowhere near the caliber of Euro’s, or even the commonwealth games. Sorry but North America, Central America and the Carribean are like 1/20th of the world. Wake up, this isn’t half a world champs LOL it’s essentially a mini meet in college between an Ivy League and some D3s.

I was looking forward to this meet but it was an absolutely joke and hurts our sport. Essentially this meets is an all comers Tuesday night at the local track type meet. How they heck did they let it get like this? My collegiate athlete from Canada was really excited about the meet (he didn't make it). I'm just stunned at the crappy meet.

Looks like K. Grace wins and gets the CR in a relatively competitive field.

http://results.deltatiming.com/nacac/2018-nacac-championships/180810F009

Athletics Canada used the same standards as Worlds to qualify for this meet, meaning only the top tier of Canadian athletes could realistically expect to qualify. The problem is - it's historically not very good (look at the CR for most distance events prior to this weekend), so athletes who are finishing their season in Europe would need to fly back in order to race in a pretty mediocre meet with no field depth, just to turn around and head back to Europe for the last few weeks of the season.

Doesn't exactly sound enticing, does it? Given how irregularly this meet is held, it serves no purpose. It will never be a goal/focus of a top tier athlete, as it is at best a third rate meet (much like PAN-AMS, and even that is better than this)

Word is that funding to a few of the big domestic meets were completely cut to fund this embarrassment. Meets that actually support and showcase Canadian athletes. Anyone who follows the sport up here should be livid.

Captain Canuck wrote:

Word is that funding to a few of the big domestic meets were completely cut to fund this embarrassment. Meets that actually support and showcase Canadian athletes. Anyone who follows the sport up here should be livid.

Where did you hear that? Any more details (what meets etc.)?

My sources are good and "in the know", but the basis is out there and common knowledge.

Aileen Meagher- Folded due to no money from AC.

Inferno and Jerome- Did great jobs of hiding it, but also recieved no funding and a lot of favors were called in to get the fields they got.

The IAAF came hard on our Area saying we needed an Area Championship like Europe, Africa, Asia, South America, and Oceania. The meet is actually a pretty big deal in that it provides a standard for all event winners for next year's World Championships. Part of the low turnout of the meet is that it was viewed as less important by some of the Central American Countries (Central American Games was contested only a couple weeks ago) Mexico and Guatemala would have likely sent more athletes if not for that event.

Additionally most of the previous NACAC races were Under 23 meets. This one was somewhat hobbled together in the last year, but surprisingly featured prize money for all events. Finally, our region is piss poor at fielding strong depth in all events. How many Sprinters from Mexico do you see that are very competitive or what about the island countries in the distance events. The meet will gain steam as its importance is realized by each federation, but this year it was more or less a throwaway. You should give kudos to the USA stars who didn't turn down the meet like Lopez Lomong. They didn't need to waste their time at an event like this, but showed up ready to represent anyway.

Ideally all countries in the Area will take this meet seriously at its next hosting.

Really Bro wrote:

Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

You seem to not be grasping that this meet is essentially meaningless. Hence why 30 or so countries are officially participants, yet half the events have only 3 to 5 competitors.

European Championship is as "essentially meaningless" but you don't see the host country not trying to get medals.

Beside the North American countries, the others are small enough to blow it off (yes, I think Guatemala is small). Canada, especially as host, isn't.

May have been mentioned already, but I believe event winners are auto-qualified for next year's worlds, so no standard chasing in a championship year. There's some meaning in that. Probably why there were several BTC athletes running.