Shelby MF Houlihan responds to the LRC trolls -- definitely is not doping + great podcast listen

She is not doping. She was already built like that in college. Also, she is way too early in her career to be doping. I am glad finally we have a runner who can destroy the Africans who may actually be doping.

Somebody didn't listen to the pod. I actually agree with J. Gault for once (& mostly because he didn't get all American born up in here). Shelby talked about getting dropped in every workout her first year as a pro, sticking with it, and getting better. And she did talk about doing all the little things.

I started this thread mostly because I thought the thread last week or a couple weeks back was ridiculous. Ridiculous because it had claims that weren't based on anything. I think it's tough that we're fans of a sport where we have to be suspicious of just about everything. But it's easier to just watch the good performances and if someone comes out as a doper go after them then.

If she's eating white bread and slamming beers she's fooling you with the food details.

But the hair has to go wrote:

I’m still not buying it

What would Houlihan have to do for you to buy it?

But the hair has to go wrote:

But hey, most if not all of her global competitors are either doing the same

How would you know this?

the other way wrote:

I would be very surprised if any of the sub-4 ladies would not be doping. Such a talent could then easily break the WR with EPO, blood transfusions, HGH and steroids

It's a long way from sub-4 to 3:50.

the other way wrote:

while doping literally risk-free.

No.

the other way wrote:

Who could abstain from such a temptation, while seeing less talented cheats beating her?

How do you abstain from the temptation to cheat?

She sounds innocent and shocked at the doping accusations. We've heard that from the guilty before, but of course we'd like to believe her, despite the tremendous improvement. She was a 55 400m runner and now can close in 57.

crucial to emphasize too that she closed the last 100 in 13 seconds at USAs. That would be a fine close for a man.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

the other way wrote:

I would be very surprised if any of the sub-4 ladies would not be doping. Such a talent could then easily break the WR with EPO, blood transfusions, HGH and steroids

It's a long way from sub-4 to 3:50.

4%. Lots of people here claim EPO alone can give that to you.

Regarding the temptation: ever been to Ontario? People there drive 120 - 125 km/h all the time instead of the allowed 100, because the police only stops you at 130 km/h or above. Similar with running: boost your HCT by 10%, and no one will ever argue with you. And the T:E ratio to 3:1. And get some TUEs for salbutamol. And and and. But some people call that grey zone, not doping; maybe that's your and her point?

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Her 200m pr is 25 seconds, which equates to about 12.5 for 100m, so her kick has always been powerful.

However, she lacked speed endurance to carry that ability into the last 100-200m of a race against elite women.

25.0 200m equates to 1:59/3:54 .5 if she can run 14:53 for 5000m. New AR INCOMING.

Not drinking kool-aid wrote:

That doesn't mean we don't believe in you if we are questioning your performance.

If you questioning her performance that means you doubt she did it clean. Your comment makes no sense.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

the other way wrote:

doping is literally risk-free.

No.

According to the USADA, in Houlihan's first 2 1/2 years as a pro, they had her tested 5x -- 2x in 2016 and 3x in 2017. Of her 5 tests, only 1 was not during the racing season. In other words, she was tested an average of twice/year, mostly in season, during the time when she went from national contender to world beater.

Now imagine that she was a young Kenyan or Ethiopian with the same record.

Soupyguy wrote:

Not drinking kool-aid wrote:

That doesn't mean we don't believe in you if we are questioning your performance.

If you questioning her performance that means you doubt she did it clean. Your comment makes no sense.

I disagree. If you think probabilistically, his comment makes perfect sense -- you can believe someone is clean without being absolutely certain they are clean.

I don't know about you, but I'm with Jon Gault on this one. The one thing I know for sure is that I can't know for sure whether anyone is dirty or clean.

Moo Goo wrote:

She is not doping. She was already built like that in college. Also, she is way too early in her career to be doping. I am glad finally we have a runner who can destroy the Africans who may actually be doping.

No, she was not.

Since you speculate the "Africans may actually be doping" without proof, then we can also say the same about Houlihan.

Phantasy Star wrote:

I think she has a legitimate shot at Muir's 3:55 clean 1500 WR

Macdaddy wrote:

White people are clean - obviously.

Only in fantasy world.

What type of beer are we talking about? If it's a craft beer then I'd be even more supportive of her but if it's crap beer...

She is American, she is an Iowa, she is clean.

Why don't America's just say an athletes age. High school is a big range. 55xx is not that impressive. This has it as being 18. If she's that fast how come she's not broke 2. Thats a red flag

It’s Egun wrote:

I flat out don’t believe she is clean.

Change in appearance , demeanor and aura.

I wish I thought she was clean but i don’t

Moo Goo wrote:

She is not doping. She was already built like that in college. Also, she is way too early in her career to be doping. I am glad finally we have a runner who can destroy the Africans who may actually be doping.

Well, that seems to have settled it. You’ve a cast iron story, there