Second world record of the day! UTEP/Kenya's Michael Saruni runs 1:14.79 600

Typical blowhard wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

I never said he isn't a good runner. It's a great time and a good run. I'm sure he is 1:43/1:44 material. If not faster.

The point I'm making is where is Rudisha, where is Bosse on that 600m indoor list? It has not been attacked by the big names over the years and so is weak. The WR should be in the 1:13.5 region.

I don't remember Korir doing that well against the big boys when it mattered neither.

Your last statement event says it all. You're very poorly educated regarding Korir and his 2017- likely athletics in general. Why comment when you are that way? A win at Monaco (over Bosse, Tuka, McBride) and the Kenyan Trials isn't "big boy" enough for you? Your know it all attitude with evidence to the contrary will make you an optimal poster here at Letsrun. Welcome.

When it mattered.

Time trials are not the aim of the sport of athletics.

It only mattered once last season. That's the name of the game.

It seems you are the poorly educated one. A man called CJ Ujah won the DL 100m overall. Did it matter? Farah won the 5k DL overall. Amos won the 800m. Elaine Thompson the 100m. Ruth Jebet the steeple. Muir won the 1500 the year previous.

Do you understand what I'm getting at?

ex-runner wrote:

Nunhnuhunh wrote:

Yes, I remember the same comments about Korir's performance last year. People were very unimpressed with it. Saying a whole bunch of negative things (for some reason).

Then Korir ran 1:43.10 last summer (the world leading time). Pretty good for an NCAA runner. Massive progression.

Now the same coach has a guy who is even faster in his hands.

I never said he isn't a good runner. It's a great time and a good run. I'm sure he is 1:43/1:44 material. If not faster.

The point I'm making is where is Rudisha, where is Bosse on that 600m indoor list? It has not been attacked by the big names over the years and so is weak. The WR should be in the 1:13.5 region.

I don't remember Korir doing that well against the big boys when it mattered neither.

Let's not forget Cas has run 1:44.8, it's not like his 800 PR is low quality either, but the 600 seems to be more his distance while Korir just has more speed, but more importantly strength

The 600m seems about right, especially considering it's been bested in January every time, while people usually peak much much later

Jonathan Gault wrote:

A few hours after Christian Coleman ran 6.37 to break the 60m WR, UTEP's Michael Saruni ran 1:14.79 for 600 in Albuquerque to break Cas Loxsom's indoor 600 WR of 1:14.91. Saruni's former UTEP teammate Emmanuel Korir broke the same record on this track last year (1:14.97) before Loxsom broke it later in the season.

Details from his coach Paul Ereng below.

https://twitter.com/ErengP/status/954535410159374337https://twitter.com/ErengP/status/954536189347774465https://twitter.com/ErengP/status/954540757037105152

And yes, technically this is a world best, but we consider it a WR. No one has ever run faster in the indoor 600.

LOL No mention of altitude. If a paleface had done this, the altitude would have been the first thing mentioned.

UNPC L wrote:

Jonathan Gault wrote:

A few hours after Christian Coleman ran 6.37 to break the 60m WR, UTEP's Michael Saruni ran 1:14.79 for 600 in Albuquerque to break Cas Loxsom's indoor 600 WR of 1:14.91. Saruni's former UTEP teammate Emmanuel Korir broke the same record on this track last year (1:14.97) before Loxsom broke it later in the season.

Details from his coach Paul Ereng below.

https://twitter.com/ErengP/status/954535410159374337https://twitter.com/ErengP/status/954536189347774465https://twitter.com/ErengP/status/954540757037105152

And yes, technically this is a world best, but we consider it a WR. No one has ever run faster in the indoor 600.

LOL No mention of altitude. If a paleface had done this, the altitude would have been the first thing mentioned.

Probably not much help over 600m

no

i frankly won't remember in a few years who won 800 gold in london WC

i will remember if a guy ran a 1'42

golds are won 3 out of every 4 years

big deal

we don't know when the next guy to run a 1'42 will happen

for some, that is far more interesting

no

it'd didn't

nonsense

if that was the case, then they shouda abolished the circuit & have had only 1 meet the whole of last year - the WC

sure did to him

sure did to him

he got revenge for his loss in london & won his last track race

i can guarantee 100% those feats mattered to them

if not, why did they even bother lining up for diamond league finals ???

skewed opinion

the sport is not just about medals but also the clock & other accomplishments like diamond league titles

UNPC L wrote:LOL No mention of altitude. If a paleface had done this, the altitude would have been the first thing mentioned

he lost at least 2 tenths running wide past a guy mid-race

that more than compensated for some trivial altitude help

it also was his 1st ever run at 600m indoors & i also believe never run 1 outdoors, so he wouda had no experience of how to pace it

he can 100% claim he coud run faster next time with experience of this run enabling him to pace the race better

tell us last time someone broke a WR on their 1st shot at a distance ???

ex-runner wrote:

600m indoor WB has long been the weakest middle distance record.

When you have someone like Cas Loxom running 1:14.9 you have to consider the quality of that time.

1:14.8 is still weak, but nice run anyway

it's 1'14.7 & it's only semi-weak

aman run no better than 1'15-low/mid in 2 goes in '13 & '14 & those years he was running 1'42+ !!!, in fact a 1'42.37pb in '13 when his 600 was 1'15.60

accounting for wide running & some trivial altitude help, Saruni shouda been looking at ~ 1'14.6 & this was debut at it

that is worth probably ~ 1s quicker outdoors or ~ 1'13.6

that woud put him 6th on outdoor list & he can 100% claim he will pace it better next time, so more like getting into 1'13-lows if he runs no more indoors but awaits for outdoors

there's nothing wrong with that for a 600 effort outdoors

calculo wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

600m indoor WB has long been the weakest middle distance record.

When you have someone like Cas Loxom running 1:14.9 you have to consider the quality of that time.

1:14.8 is still weak, but nice run anyway

it's 1'14.7 & it's only semi-weak

aman run no better than 1'15-low/mid in 2 goes in '13 & '14 & those years he was running 1'42+ !!!, in fact a 1'42.37pb in '13 when his 600 was 1'15.60

accounting for wide running & some trivial altitude help, Saruni shouda been looking at ~ 1'14.6 & this was debut at it

that is worth probably ~ 1s quicker outdoors or ~ 1'13.6

that woud put him 6th on outdoor list & he can 100% claim he will pace it better next time, so more like getting into 1'13-lows if he runs no more indoors but awaits for outdoors

there's nothing wrong with that for a 600 effort outdoors

1:14.79 ~ 1:14.8 not 1:14.7. I thought you do maths?

And nobody cares what you will or won't remember. Literally of no consequence to anyone.

it's FAT time so there is no reason to round it up or down.

the record is weak as a record but it's still a strong and bodes well for Saruni.

he's probably in ~1:45.0 shape right now.

he's also still the 2nd best 600m runner on his team.

Next stop: WCAP US citizenship

Why did Seb Coe suck over 600m? Too short for him?

skj wrote:

Why did Seb Coe suck over 600m? Too short for him?

Did he ever attempt one?

He ran 1:15.0 en route to his WR

He looked not that much weaker than Korir before falling last year at NCAA's. He should go sub 1:44 this year.

Obviously a great run, but seriously this record is weak. I feel like Harris could break it again this year. Rudisha's 600 split in his WR was faster.

Rudisha's 600m PR (outdoors) is 1:13.10. Comparing on a percentage basis, that puts Saruni firmly in 1:42 territory.

ex-runner wrote:1:14.79 ~ 1:14.8 not 1:14.7. I thought you do maths?

nonsense

1'14.79 is a 1'14.7 runner NOT 1'14.8

if a sprinter runs a wind-legal 9.99, do you think they woud consider themselves a 9.9 or 10.0 guy ???

& what woud every other observer ???

And nobody cares what you will or won't remember

you seem to be interested in remembering nothing else other than the london WC last year ???

according to your nonsense, the authorities shouda scrapped every meet on the circuit in all of '17 except london WC because nothing else mattered ???!!!

Literally of no consequence to anyone

that woud make yours not literally but absolutely of no consequence to anyone

YMMV wrote:

Rudisha's 600m PR (outdoors) is 1:13.10. Comparing on a percentage basis, that puts Saruni firmly in 1:42 territory.

Comparing on a percentage basis:

100.91/73.10 x 74.79 = 103.24 1:43.24

So more 1:43 than 1:42.

However this is making the huge assumption that Rudisha was in 1:40.9 shape when running 1:13.1, which everyone knows he was not.

Season best that year was 1:42.15

102.15/73.1 x 74.79 = 1:44.5

Cas Loxom also ran 1:44.

Bad Wigins wrote:

"Technically" it's an off distance that many better runners never attempted. Just one minor little detail.

Have to agree

to ascertain merit of 600s, you can apply logarithm method to a whole number multiple distance if it exists

600m times can have a relationship to 3000m which is a whole multiple, an odd multiple

squaring it is also odd number

-> any odd whole number for 600m shoud have an equivalent 3k time which is an even whole number

after trial'n'error, i get

1'13.00 = 7'22.00

applying elsewhere, i get relationship between 800 & 3k as

1'42.00 = 7'21.50

->

1'13.00 = 1'42.13

also Johnny's 1'12.81 = 1'41.88

someone can work out Saruni's 1'14.79 as an equivalent for an 800 & see where that places him on the indoor list...