Renato Canova Training (Includes 1 hour presentation about his training philosophy)

According to Renato Canova, his runners do NO more than 200 km, which is 124 miles per week. Is that correct? Only 124 miles per week?

From 26:00 in the video;

Canova states quite clearly "MAXIMUM 200km/wk but more like 170-180km/wk."

BazylP wrote:

From 26:00 in the video;

Canova states quite clearly "MAXIMUM 200km/wk but more like 170-180km/wk."

Thanks!

I've been a big Canova training fan for the past decade and respect his training philosophy....which has been very influential and inspiring. The guy is a genius.

However, are people not going to question that he thinks his top athletes are NOT slowed by 3-4 sec/km at altitude?

He says that margin of slowing of pace is only due to the rough dirt roads....that altitude (over 2000m) does not slow them since they are born and raised and live high. It reminds me of the stance on EPO not being effective for top athletes at altitude . I don't believe that. I think EPO is going to be a big PED for all levels of athletes and I think running at high altitude is always harder than sea level (even if born and raised there). Of course the extact margins will vary a bit with individual physiology and training background/lifestyle/history.

I had a chat with Alan Lim (worked with Lance and Landis) once who also downplayed the influence of EPO for top athletes. Certainly there are all sorts of limiting factors/mechanisms that can limit performance (so something like EPO isn't the end-all), but I think pro level cycling has already shown the strong influence of such PEDs and their effectiveness/gains.

Sage,

When did you stop using EPO?

Anyone have any luck with the song in the first few seconds? Really liked it. Tried shazam, soundhound, siri identification, and mooma.sh. Nothing. Frustrating.

Hi Renato:

1) At 13:17-14:23 in the video, you describe improved permeability of membranes improving lactate clearance/lactate utilization as the physiologic reason behind the workouts such as 3 x 7k at marathon pace (or a little faster) with 1k of recovery at, say, 3:30/k. Do the MCT1 and MCT4 lactate transporter systems have anything to do with this or is it just membranes? (Maybe it doesn't matter, just curious.)

2) At 50:37-54:00 in the video, you talk about thinking as if the athlete has a tank of fat and a tank of glycogen, with the tank of glycogen only lasting about an hour at half-marathon pace. Is there a way to think about the lactate produced and consumed as a third tank, maybe being created from the glycogen tank, that is useful when distinguishing the "turbo-diesel" marathoner from the conventionally-trained marathoner?

Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas!

That's the real magic! Even Renato says that the most important aspect is the psychological aspect!

S. Canaday wrote:

He says that margin of slowing of pace is only due to the rough dirt roads....that altitude (over 2000m) does not slow them since they are born and raised and live high. It reminds me of the stance on EPO not being effective for top athletes at altitude . I don't believe that. I think EPO is going to be a big PED for all levels of athletes

Get your head out of the gutter and stop relying on drugs, which is the reason you're getting defeated so easily.

Sage, if you go back and listen I think you'll see that Canova suggests his athletes are 3 seconds slower at altitude and 3 seconds slower due to terrain, 6 seconds per km total.

listener of Canova wrote:

Sage, if you go back and listen I think you'll see that Canova suggests his athletes are 3 seconds slower at altitude and 3 seconds slower due to terrain, 6 seconds per km total.

hey thanks for that. My bad (I'm obviously not a great listener).

I apologize to the great Canova! 3 seconds/km for altitude AND 3 seconds/km for the rough roads.

That is very reasonable and makes sense now.

I won't budge on my #cleansport rants and anti-PED (esp EPO and testosterone) stance though.

Dopers are a disgrace to the sport.

Has anyone been able to find the slides for this? It would be super helpful to see the schedules it sounds like he is posting on the screen.

Hi,

try here:

http://www.serranoatletismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Marathon-Training.pdf

I like what he says abouta da a fasta fibas.

maxdiluca wrote:

Hi,

try here:

http://www.serranoatletismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Marathon-Training.pdf

Thank you very much for posting this!

maxdiluca wrote:

Hi,

try here:

http://www.serranoatletismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Marathon-Training.pdf

I love you

Best line from the whole presentation (page 36):

"Running long and slow, combined with short and fast, doesn’t produce the possibility to run long and fast"

I can no longer see the slides that were posted. Can anyone re-post?

The real magic is how he goes to Africa to find all the most talented runners.