hobby jogger coaching?

JS is not a phase guy.

Have you read Daniels Running Formula? Great book for those who want to coach themselves because it really helps you understand why you are doing what you are doing. That understanding allows you to adjust a workout on the fly. Having a tough day with a 20 minute tempo run? You'll know that you can break that up into 2 x 10 minutes with 2:00 passive rest. 3 x 1 Mile repeats with 4:00 rest aren't going smoothly? Cut it down to 5 x 1000 with 3:00 rest.

Knowing what it is your trying to accomplish before a workout starts is invaluable. As long as you actually read the book and don't just jump to the workout plans and pace tables, it's an incredible resource for training.

And he is definitely a training phase guy.

I'm a huge Daniels guy, obviously. I've been training under his principles since 1990. If you buy the book, read it, and design your own plan, I'd be happy to look at it for you and you can bounce ideas off of me if you think that would add value (not looking to be paid for that - just want to help other runners out).

Whi is JS? I've read a bit on Daniels. Not as much as I should. A runner i trained with a couple of years ago was big on Daniels.

With that workout suggestion, on that note, that's what my 2 previous coaches would tend to do. I still apply that to my training. Mainly because I'm always having a tough day with an unbroken tempo, hehe.

I appreciate the offer, I think I'll look into it after my fall marathon and before the next training cycle.

JS is the guy posting under several diffeeent names in an effort to convince you to hire him for $50/month.

Smoove wrote:

JS is the guy posting under several diffeeent names in an effort to convince you to hire him for $50/month.

0/10. No....he's not, he's the real deal! You're just envious because his program produces results!

Voice of Reason wrote:

Smoove wrote:

JS is the guy posting under several diffeeent names in an effort to convince you to hire him for $50/month.

0/10. No....he's not, he's the real deal! You're just envious because his program produces results!

Says JS posting under yet another name.

Magic!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Says JS posting under yet another name.

Magic!

How could you possibly know that? 🤔

shoebum wrote:

any hobby joggers out there hire their own coach? if so, do you feel it helped and how much did it cost? i run with a coached group that provides training plans and weekly workouts, but not individualized.

I'm not a hobby jogger and I don't have a coach. I know a lot who hire one.

They're very slow and basically any running they do will help them improve.

What I've seen is very complicated programs written by guys who took a $199.00 course on line and passed a test.

The programs are complicated to justify the expense.

The HJ's are happy because they feel like good runners when they say- My coach said ....

I'm a hobbyjogger and old - but i'd like to get faster if only to get home quicker and hurt less at the end of the day. I've looked at coaches, and online coaches seem pretty lame and I'm not sure how much hands on help they can provide. Conversely, larger groups of "coaching programs" would irritate me, although having the feedback of what I'm doing wrong would be quite nice.

Karl, shoot me an email. I will give you a free training cycle for you to experience if you want. It will be Daniels based, but customized. A good way for me to prove to those on here who doubt me that I know what I'm doing. Plus, your posts consistently entertain me so I would feel good about repaying you for the entertainment. If you're an anti-Daniels guy, I'm not the right fit for you.

Smoove wrote:

Karl, shoot me an email. I will give you a free training cycle for you to experience if you want. It will be Daniels based, but customized. A good way for me to prove to those on here who doubt me that I know what I'm doing. Plus, your posts consistently entertain me so I would feel good about repaying you for the entertainment. If you're an anti-Daniels guy, I'm not the right fit for you.

I dont doubt you know what you are doing Smoove. :)

As you said,there is a lot of people out there who can need an experienced

coach , and some of them thinks its great to hire a coach with very good results for just halfprice 50 dollars a month.

just for reference i'm a middle aged guy and run a 3hr marathon, but have been about that pace since i started three years ago. seems like some non famous elite runners offer online coaching for about 100-150/mo and was wondering if anyone has experience with any of them?

I hope you do well with your coaching. We aren't competing for the same people, and this is a sideline for me. I don't agree with you on many things, so if there is someone (other than your alternate personalities) who thinks you're the right coach for them, they really should hire you.

Smoove wrote:

Karl, shoot me an email. I will give you a free training cycle for you to experience if you want. It will be Daniels based, but customized. A good way for me to prove to those on here who doubt me that I know what I'm doing. Plus, your posts consistently entertain me so I would feel good about repaying you for the entertainment. If you're an anti-Daniels guy, I'm not the right fit for you.

Only if you promise that you won't ask for nudes. I'm not falling for that a second time, Weldon.

I'd probably find a club close by first if I wanted to become a serious hobby jogger. At the moment I'm not there yet.

If I were to get more serious I'd first go to or get a few books. Jack Daniels is pretty much a go to now. I had a book by Bowerman/Dellinger that was good when I was young. I don't think I could handle it now.

I'd probably never become dedicated enough for an online coach but if I were I'd probably go with smoove. I just wonder what an online coach can do for someone when they are running bad and the workout should be changed.

I'd only pay coach JS to go away.

I'm not an ex phys or a certified coach. I am taking a certification course, but that's really not a high bar.

My coaching credentials are based on my running experience 27 years), my readings, and my group coaching experience.

I can go into my running resume, but I'd rate myself as a pretty good but not great collegiate (despite not running before walking on to my team).

I've read a fair amount about training (Daniels (obviously my favorite if you've read my posts), Pfitz, articles and posts by Canova etc.). I also took two coaching classes in college (too long ago to be really relevant).

I've coached for 4 years. I was asked to take over coaching the Y running group intrained with and brought many of the group to PRs. As a result of that, others have to come to me for private coaching. That individual coaching resulted in a 15 minute BQ qualifier for my wife (first time marathoner), and another woman I coach having a 5k PR right before tapering on her way to a 2:38 marathon improvement over her PR (missing the OT standard by :24). I have other stories about others I've coached, but those are a couple of good ones.

Not perfect credentials, but enough experience that those who've seen my posts should be able to derive a degree of confidence in my a ability.

Pappy wrote:

I'd probably find a club close by first if I wanted to become a serious hobby jogger. At the moment I'm not there yet.

If I were to get more serious I'd first go to or get a few books. Jack Daniels is pretty much a go to now. I had a book by Bowerman/Dellinger that was good when I was young. I don't think I could handle it now.

I'd probably never become dedicated enough for an online coach but if I were I'd probably go with smoove. I just wonder what an online coach can do for someone when they are running bad and the workout should be changed.

What's wrong with Runner's World? It's educated millions of joggers over the past decades. It worked for me and I've been hobby jogging for 5 decades now. 😆

I didn't say anything about Runners World. I guess it is fairly good. I haven't read one since the early 80's. Back then they did not offer much for serious runners in the way of a training plans.

I'm glad RW worked for you.

Smoove,

A little friendly advice. As a coach you need to be humble which you are, but you also have to come off very confident.

Never say that you don't have perfect credentials, or mention things you do not have.

If I'm your athlete I do not want to doubt ANYTHING you feed me. If I don't believe 100% ("a degree of confidence" does not cut it) as your athlete then the training will not be as effective. If I am more confident in what I do as an athlete than what my coach is with what he/she does then I would be searching for a new coach.

otter wrote:

Smoove,

A little friendly advice. As a coach you need to be humble which you are, but you also have to come off very confident.

Never say that you don't have perfect credentials, or mention things you do not have.

If I'm your athlete I do not want to doubt ANYTHING you feed me. If I don't believe 100% ("a degree of confidence" does not cut it) as your athlete then the training will not be as effective. If I am more confident in what I do as an athlete than what my coach is with what he/she does then I would be searching for a new coach.

If any coach, at any level, claims they know 100% exactly what their athlete needs, or has the absolute perfect background or training plan, they are lying either to themselves or their athlete.

The worst coaches I've ever been around are the ones who are the most confident in what they're doing, and among the most frustrating athletes to work with are those who never question, second guess, or think critically about their training.

You can have strong confidence in your coach as an athlete and still not be diluted into thinking everything out of their mouth is gospel. You can be confident that what you're doing as a coach is progressing your athletes without being naive enough to think your plans don't deserve scrutiny and adjustments. A lack of the above from either side is a sign of weakness in the coach-athlete communication process.