mr latent wrote:
Zlatan wrote:If your job is a professional athlete then taking PEDs is a good career decision
Not really. You will be outed sooner or later.
Work the risk especially if you are a mid pack guy.
Step by step guide to being a professional athlete
1. Take your PEDs
2. Improve to elite level
3. Run fast. Maybe even win a medal
4. Get your pay day
5. Come off the PEDs
6. Repeat if necessary
This is basically having a Positive A sample.
3:50 World Record few years ago. DESTROYED EVERYONE at Worlds over last 800m in like 1:58?
Coach gets RAIDED in Spain last year, not nearly as good at Olympics..... This year DONE 4:06 ..... COMPLETELY DONE
DRUG CHEAT
Dibaba goes home DEVESTATED!!!!
I kind of agree with this. No way should she just fall off the face of the earth like this, same with Asbel Kiprop.
2015 dibaba would have walked this race to gold. it wasn't sub 4
She looked good in the first 3 laps, and then died...and it was a slow race, in the first 3 laps, and she is a known kicker.
doper until proven otherwise.
The weird thing is that she looked 'washed" out.
Makes you think of the effects T has on male birds.
scorpion_runner wrote:
I kind of agree with this. No way should she just fall off the face of the earth like this, same with Asbel Kiprop.
2015 dibaba would have walked this race to gold. it wasn't sub 4
She looked good in the first 3 laps, and then died...and it was a slow race, in the first 3 laps, and she is a known kicker.
doper until proven otherwise.
How exactly do you prove someone isn't doping until tests show somebody show the contrary...?
How about not guilty until proven guilty? I want more testing in Ethiopia and Kenya, not accusations.
She is more than suspicious, but I'm sticking with her! She'll be back.
wellduh wrote:
Off the juice
Why would she be when it's obvious many others are pumped to the max. Unless she doesn't have access to the new stuff.
I had been holding out a bit and hoping she was legit 2 years ago but now I've seen enough evidence to believe she definitely was doping in 2015. In 2015, she would have went with Hassan's move and then pulled away for a 2 second win in today's race.
CDA wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:I kind of agree with this. No way should she just fall off the face of the earth like this, same with Asbel Kiprop.
2015 dibaba would have walked this race to gold. it wasn't sub 4
She looked good in the first 3 laps, and then died...and it was a slow race, in the first 3 laps, and she is a known kicker.
doper until proven otherwise.
How exactly do you prove someone isn't doping until tests show somebody show the contrary...?
How about not guilty until proven guilty? I want more testing in Ethiopia and Kenya, not accusations.
She is more than suspicious, but I'm sticking with her! She'll be back.
I don't know. It just does not make sense. I love Jenny to death, as well as Laura, but none of them were able to beat her like they did today and the other day.
She is a kicker, true and through, and to not have any kick in the end? She just looks like a front runner, and even the elites are mocking her. They no longer mention her as a threat, but just a pacer, who will die after three laps.
I'm starting to think Tirunesh is the only natural elite runner out all of the sisters, and Genzebe put herself on that level by doping, but is just as mortal as Tirunesh's other sisters.
She finished 6th the other day, and gave a DLF today.....She is close to being put on sub elite status.
scorpion_runner wrote:
I kind of agree with this. No way should she just fall off the face of the earth like this, same with Asbel Kiprop.
2015 dibaba would have walked this race to gold. it wasn't sub 4
She looked good in the first 3 laps, and then died...and it was a slow race, in the first 3 laps, and she is a known kicker.
doper until proven otherwise.
Who does that remind me of? Oh yeah...Souileman!
scorpion_runner wrote:
I kind of agree with this. No way should she just fall off the face of the earth like this, same with Asbel Kiprop.
2015 dibaba would have walked this race to gold. it wasn't sub 4
She looked good in the first 3 laps, and then died...and it was a slow race, in the first 3 laps, and she is a known kicker.
doper until proven otherwise.
Just to provide a counter argument: Mary Cain had just as large of a drop in performance, but it would be tough to make an convincing argument that she is/was doping.
Is Jama still coaching her and Souly?
Django Untrained wrote:
wellduh wrote:Off the juice
Why would she be when it's obvious many others are pumped to the max. Unless she doesn't have access to the new stuff.
Don't expect any logic from people here
mako wrote:
Django Untrained wrote:Why would she be when it's obvious many others are pumped to the max. Unless she doesn't have access to the new stuff.
Don't expect any logic from people here
Not protected any longer after the Aden bust. Too fast raised eyebrows.
Soft Machine wrote:
Is Jama still coaching her and Souly?
Yes
scorpion_runner wrote:
CDA wrote:How exactly do you prove someone isn't doping until tests show somebody show the contrary...?
How about not guilty until proven guilty? I want more testing in Ethiopia and Kenya, not accusations.
She is more than suspicious, but I'm sticking with her! She'll be back.
I don't know. It just does not make sense. I love Jenny to death, as well as Laura, but none of them were able to beat her like they did today and the other day.
She is a kicker, true and through, and to not have any kick in the end? She just looks like a front runner, and even the elites are mocking her. They no longer mention her as a threat, but just a pacer, who will die after three laps.
I'm starting to think Tirunesh is the only natural elite runner out all of the sisters, and Genzebe put herself on that level by doping, but is just as mortal as Tirunesh's other sisters.
She finished 6th the other day, and gave a DLF today.....She is close to being put on sub elite status.
I understand how you think it does not make sense-- it doesn't make sense to me either. I choose to believe it is the result of low self esteem or poor training. That said, the minute Genzebe Dibaba tests positive, I will take back every good thing I have ever said about her. Genzebe has been very inconsistent from a young age, never mentally strong. And unless you suppose she started doping at the age of 17 to only stop at the age of 18 and then kept starting doping and then stopping doping in yearly segments throughout the years to explain her inconsistency, a natural trait of inconsistency is a plausible explanation as to her poor performance. Genzebe is not a confident athlete. This causes her to wilt when she faces someone that is close to her ability. I always believed Tirunesh was a clean athlete, a role model, and I do not believe she would allow Genzebe to fall to such low moral character as to cheat. She ran 3:57 last month, so she is still very much one of the best in the world in terms of a time basis-- it is not time to write her off. I hope that she winters well and comes back to show her gift next summer. It is really easy to just label her as a doper due to this lackluster season, but I think she has been really struggling with the accusations against her and her friends that may or not be true. Time will tell. I wish her the best.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8356886Jerry Maguire wrote:
This is basically having a Positive A sample.
3:50 World Record few years ago. DESTROYED EVERYONE at Worlds over last 800m in like 1:58?
Coach gets RAIDED in Spain last year, not nearly as good at Olympics..... This year DONE 4:06 ..... COMPLETELY DONE
DRUG CHEAT
alanson wrote:
For her, there's not that much difference between 3:57 and 3:50.
There are lightyears between a 3:57 and a 3:50. It's like saying there is not much difference between 13:00 and 12:35 over 5000m.
3:50 is even better than Ayana's 29:17 over 10000m.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
NativeSon wrote:It is mental.
I think she has lost all confidence. It probably started in Rio
It started a long time before that. Ayana broke Genzebe's will in the 2015 Beijing 5000. Genzebe was unbeaten indoors and outdoors for 2015 prior to that race. The commentators were gushing that Genzebe could win the race any way she desired.
Genzebe obviously thought the same thing, settling behind Ayana and waiting to cruise past her. Then the unthinkable happened: Ayana upped the ante with slightly more than 3 laps remaining, quickly gapping Genzebe who was hopeless to respond. As a gambler I'm always aware of the potential residue of that type of reversal. It was guaranteed that Ayana had more freakish outings in her, and that it would be a psychological barrier for Genzebe. She has not been the same since.
Ayana broke her to such extent that Genzebe wasn't giving nearly her all for the last couple of laps. That was glaring once medals were in jeopardy and suddenly Genzebe woke up over the final 50 meters.
It's always laughable for someone to pretend Ayana came out of nowhere in 2016, given that 5000m dominance from world championships 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJ9gw0YonE&t=142s
Who the hell thinks Ayana came out of nowhere in 2016?!?!?! The much bigger question was how she lost the 5000.
She ran a 3:50.0 in 2015.
In 2016, she could only manage a 3:57.3
This year, it's even worse, 3:57.8 and 1:59.3. She had to qualify on time for the final.
Imagine a 3:50 runner who has trouble breaking 2 in the 800m
It's as if it's not the same person. Kind of like when Caster was on her estrogen medication.