Can the mods merge the threads and re title it? It is awfully misleading in the super hot line on the home page now.
Agreed about context. We need more context on all of the stories coming out. The agencies should provide as much context as possible and not selectively confirm aspects of stories.
well how about det apels wrote:
He has legit PRs. Maybe without help he's more of a 29/63/2:14 guy?
10,000 meters: 27:56.62
Half marathon: 1:01:36
Marathon: 2:10:24
The 10 and HM PRs are from college.
rojo wrote:
I just posted this on the other thread.
I'm as anti-doping as anyone but we need more info/context. Either that or we should just shut the site down and put up a black page telling everyone to give up on being a fan.
I mean under the label "likely doping" you have the likes of Meseret Defar, Galen Rupp, Mo Farah, Silas Kiplagat, Geoffrey Mutai, and Evan Jager
Under "passport suspicious" , we have the likes of Asbel Kiprop, Henrik Ingebrigtsen, Luke Puskedra, Mary Ketiany, and Aries Merritt.
Given that the doping thresholds were designed by accountants and you could drive a bus through the margins. First for them to find so many suspicious cases is a real indicator that they are probably dopers.
well how about det apels wrote:
He has legit PRs. Maybe without help he's more of a 29/63/2:14 guy?
10,000 meters: 27:56.62
Half marathon: 1:01:36
Marathon: 2:10:24
Well his PR in the 10k is from college, and he ran the 1:01:36 also when he was in college (his PR now is actually 1:01:29 from last year, which is really not much of a difference).
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Given that the doping thresholds were designed by accountants and you could drive a bus through the margins. First for them to find so many suspicious cases is a real indicator that they are probably dopers.
This. Some of the doping levels are completely arbitrary are ridiculously high.
Real Cyclist wrote:
Salem, MA wrote:Look, if these guys doped, and did it regularly, and did it intentionally, I want them out of the sport. Let's figure this out and spare no one who is guilty.
But let's just wait a couple of days for more information instead of indiscriminately cannibalizing the sport we all love.
The running world still has their heads in the ground while in the cycling world we've already moved on long around knowing all elite athletes dope no matter the sport.
BS. Not all elites dope. In fact, many elites don't show up on this list as having suspicious values.
You may be right if you're talking about the NFL or NBA or pro soccer. In T&F, we've been working really hard at eradicating doping. It DOES seem that it's much harder to get away with it than it was in the past.
Of course we're not there yet, but we're trying, and the ABP is one of our biggest successes.
Stop trying to tear down the sport. Let's figure out which of these athletes we can prove doped, and get them the %$^* out of our sport.
U R funny.
It's all sketchy about anyone other than the NOP folk!
The Johnson's rig the forum.
You'll all find out soon that Jager and his coach are the cheats.
Viva Tawueroau r funny. wrote:
U R funny.
It's all sketchy about anyone other than the NOP folk!
The Johnson's rig the forum.
You'll all find out soon that Jager and his coach are the cheats.
Yes, we'll (try to) find out soon WHETHER Jager and his coach are cheats.
Look, this doesn't look good for him. But can we please wait 2 days before ripping one of our top distance runners to shreds?
Viva Tawueroau r funny. wrote:
U R funny.
It's all sketchy about anyone other than the NOP folk!
The Johnson's rig the forum.
You'll all find out soon that Jager and his coach are the cheats.
The contrast between rojo's reaction to this compared to the initial ProPublica NOP report is comical. You could tell he was gleeful upon reading the latter. Not so when hearing the news about one of the site's favorites!
+1!!!
Fentrekker wrote:
clearly an issue worthy of dis wrote:Rojo and Wejo:
I'm as big of a track "nerd" as they come. I've been a competitive runner and a promoter of the sport for three decades. I've been on this site since nearly the beginning. I love this sport.
Having said that, why are you two guys so loath to talk about (or admit) the REAL extent of cheating and PED use in our sport? Every time a report comes out you guys act like there's nothing to see?
You're overly skeptical that there's any real cheating. You guys seem to think it's onsies and twosies when the rest of us can cleary see there are dozens of cheats from all different countries and backgrounds. I for one love it when this stuff comes out because I hope that the cheaters and their coaches get exposed and run out of town. I hate the drug cheats. I want a clean sport. I welcome as much skeptisim and investigative journalism (or leaks) that we can get. We need it!
+1
Where is the Rojo / Wejo headline for Jager? They will just post the headlines against NOP and let Jager walk away like a hero.
I just wish everyone was honest with themselves about this and realize NOP is only a small portion of the problems. These other "clean" groups are not so clean and everyone who is anyone knows it!
I'm all for kicking the BS out and having a true #Cleansport
Wow this sucks. I came to this thread to make jokes. No inspiration here. Cyber warfare, now I understand.
CKidd wrote:
It's a list of runners, in a PDF, uploaded to a file sharing site by a group almost certainly sponsored by the Russian government.
If you are going to call yourself a skeptic, walk the walk. There is no way to attribute hacking, they use each other's tools all the time.
What nobody on here seems to realise, is that the IAAF are complicit in the monumental cover up all doping...............If it were only 3-4 and not big stars essential to the continuation of the IAAF circus and their sponsorship income, then the rest , like a few before them, would all be banned.............The IAAF, the IOC and all recognised nations NGB's are between a rock and a hard place over doping..They know it's going on. They know who's doing it. They'd ideally like to stop it ...but the last thing any of them want is to actually ban the very athletes who provide their own income and status.....Just imagine the impact on the sport if it occured that Farah and/or Bolt were found doping, were then banned and medals had to be handed back? ..........Well, don't worry because for those very reasons, it 'aint gonna happen !
Who outside of NOP and OTC from the U.S. was named? Any other clubs in the U.S. look suspicious?
anacondarunner wrote:
Also named were Farah, Rupp, and Puskedra.
Hopefully this will shatter the perception of the BTC being clean as a whistle compared to NOP.
john bicourt wrote:
What nobody on here seems to realise, is that the IAAF are complicit in the monumental cover up all doping...............If it were only 3-4 and not big stars essential to the continuation of the IAAF circus and their sponsorship income, then the rest , like a few before them, would all be banned.............The IAAF, the IOC and all recognised nations NGB's are between a rock and a hard place over doping..They know it's going on. They know who's doing it. They'd ideally like to stop it ...but the last thing any of them want is to actually ban the very athletes who provide their own income and status.....Just imagine the impact on the sport if it occured that Farah and/or Bolt were found doping, were then banned and medals had to be handed back? ..........Well, don't worry because for those very reasons, it 'aint gonna happen !
You are joking, right? Most of us realized that long time ago.
I also don't agree with "They'd ideally like to stop it". No way, doping is great for new records, which in turn are great for more money. Follow the money, as per usual.
As for the "likely doping" term: if anyone really thinks that is a meaningless term, look it up. It's well defined in the statutes, and discussed here on letsrun several times since Paula was flagged by the IAAF as "likely doping".
Also in the remarks...
"Priority Level (+ to +++)" and Jager is apparently +++++!
I don't trust the accuracy of any doping report that doesn't list Genzebe Dibaba in any way.
#cleansport wrote:
Where is the Rojo / Wejo headline for Jager? They will just post the headlines against NOP and let Jager walk away like a hero.
I just wish everyone was honest with themselves about this and realize NOP is only a small portion of the problems. These other "clean" groups are not so clean and everyone who is anyone knows it!
I'm all for kicking the BS out and having a true #Cleansport
Agreed, why isn't there a front page clock to determine the amount of time he takes to respond to the allegations?
This thread is amusing in hindsight:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5244770
I particularly like this nugget from Rojo "I'd bet a huge some of money that none of the Schumacher guys are on anything but hard work. The guy doesn't even like aspirin."