Jordan Hasay is running 100 miles a week just 2-3 weeks out from Boston

Not much, apparently, if your "cut back to 25" was even remotely serious. If she's been putting in upwards of 100miles/week, cutting back to 25 would leave her completely stale. One of the keys to a good taper is determining the sweet spot where you're not tired but still fresh with a lot of zing in your stride. She needs to cut back in the first couple of weeks of April but maybe a to 50-70 for both weeks, with a little speedwork the week before the marathon. Given the miles she's been putting in, a medium week of 70 likely would get her to the line fresh.

Coach lmnop wrote:

How about cut back to 25 miles and let the body recover and be fresh for the race.

Oh well what do I know?

Clearly you don't know much about coaching at the elite level and what world class athletes do in prep for world class times in international fields.

Im puzzled, no one, not a single person has been charged with anything related to doping in the NOP group. But you seem to have knowledge of something we all don't. A running 4 year so called investigation has not turned up anything related to drug abuse.

Please provide your evidence so the investigation can proceed or be closed.

that's pretty normalcheck out bill rodgers 1975 log. Boston marathon was april 21st (3 weeks before race - 148, 128, 97) http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/Rodgers/TrainingLogs/br75traininglog.htmi know guys who have run under 2:18, who 3 weeks out are in the 100-120 mpw range, then they drop down or just stop running doubles the last 7-10 days. their body is so adapted to miles that dropping the doubles makes them feel so fit even if they're running 80-90 in the last 2 weeksno big deal for elites actually

wow.... wrote:

Based on the Flotrack Q&A with Jordan Hasay, it looks like she is running 100 miles a week just 2-3 weeks out from Boston:

http://www.flotrack.org/article/54012-quick-dirty-q-a-with-jordan-hasay-before-prague-half-marathon#.WN03oBIrI_U

For those who don't want to click, this is the question:

How many miles per week are you currently running? How long is your longest run?

I've gone 25 miles a few times now with a one mile cool down. So technically I've gone a marathon! I've done quite a few 20 milers as well. I'm at about 100 miles.

Wow!

HardLoper wrote:

Cheesy Cheese wrote:

Of course she is, what do you expect?

Exactly

+2.

OP, duh.

I love that you posted this. I always forget about BR's log until someone links to it here. I'm amazed by the number of 30-mile days and am just amused by the occasional "three-a-days," where it looks like he rests, like, an hour or something between his two p.m. runs.

I've had exceedingly rare and brief periods of intensity like this--I mean like a single week a year, when the stars align--but I cannot imagine sustaining an effort like this for a month, a year, a career.

I just met BR at the airport last week and kicked myself later for not asking him--though the answer might be obvious--if he really enjoyed all those hours spent in motion? Maybe "enjoyment" isn't a concept with much relevance to this enterprise; or maybe it's the only concept..

Sample F wrote:

Sample C wrote:

When her coach gets charged with doping athletes right before Boston will it even matter what she runs?

Are you talking about before this year's Boston, or last year's, or the year before that, etc.? Because you and your ilk keep predicting the same thing over and over but it doesn't seem to be happening.

Talking about this year's Boston. Thanks for the question!

Thinkster wrote:

Not much, apparently, if your "cut back to 25" was even remotely serious. If she's been putting in upwards of 100miles/week, cutting back to 25 would leave her completely stale. One of the keys to a good taper is determining the sweet spot where you're not tired but still fresh with a lot of zing in your stride. She needs to cut back in the first couple of weeks of April but maybe a to 50-70 for both weeks, with a little speedwork the week before the marathon. Given the miles she's been putting in, a medium week of 70 likely would get her to the line fresh.

Coach lmnop wrote:

How about cut back to 25 miles and let the body recover and be fresh for the race.

Oh well what do I know?

Do you think running 25 miles the week before a marathon will leave a runner's legs stale? Shows how little you know AND why you run so poorly

Run Doctor wrote:

Thinkster wrote:

Not much, apparently, if your "cut back to 25" was even remotely serious. If she's been putting in upwards of 100miles/week, cutting back to 25 would leave her completely stale. One of the keys to a good taper is determining the sweet spot where you're not tired but still fresh with a lot of zing in your stride. She needs to cut back in the first couple of weeks of April but maybe a to 50-70 for both weeks, with a little speedwork the week before the marathon. Given the miles she's been putting in, a medium week of 70 likely would get her to the line fresh.

Do you think running 25 miles the week before a marathon will leave a runner's legs stale? Shows how little you know AND why you run so poorly

As someone that has worked with many elites, I will say there is no blanket statement for marathon peaking. I've had some athletes who after backing off a lot and racing poorly do 100+ the week of race and have immense break throughs. On the same note l, there are athletes who respond incredibly well to little to no training the week of a marathon. Instead of fighting about what always works which there is no magic formula. A coach finds out what works best for the athlete regardless of what science says or what others do. Many more factors go into racing well than recovery. Sometimes therntal state of a high volume athlete can't handle such a reduction in volume and lose confidence their toughness. Look back at McDougal who back off every year at NCAA's and was always flat. Finally he ran 100+ the week of NCAA's in singles and was unbeatable. If what you're doing doesn't work. Try something different. Even if the back seat coaches on letsrun disagree.

But with way more hair. When will she cut it?! Has to slow her down.

Coach lmnop wrote:

I have never understood the insanity of that many miles a few weeks before the race. The preparations have been done and excessive running is more likely to cause fatigue or injury (god she's had enough injuries) than improvement.

There is such thing as tapering too much.

Coach lmnop wrote:

How about cut back to 25 miles and let the body recover and be fresh for the race.

Oh well what do I know?

How to train on the Oprah Magazine plan is what you know.

I'd agree with this post. I don't think there's a proper format for taper, but there is a fine line of too much and too little. The taper can come in many forms, such as reduction of mileage, reduction of intensity, or less frequency of runs.

I am still puzzled that they are both doing Prauge HM so close to Boston, but we will see how it plays out. Personally, I'd think NYC would have been better or even Cherry Blossom 10 miler this week.

She'll probably do 70ish and 50ish in her final two weeks. The goal of the taper is to be extra fresh on race day, so really the final 3-4 days are the most important. Also, they don't want to crush a hard long session too close to a race either, most hard long runs (18+ miles) are already done 2 weeks out.

As for doing 25 miles per week two weeks out, no elite will do that. Detraining can start kicking in at that level of fitness. They need optimal levels of muscular tension, aerobic power and efficiency, and glycogen stores. The window is not as wide as you'd think it is.

RunDoctor - we are talking about getting top 5 at Boston, not running 3:45.

Cut it wrote:

But with way more hair. When will she cut it?! Has to slow her down.

That's where she holds her powers. Haven't you seen "Tangled?"

very cool that you met him. it's always hard to have the presence of mind to ask those questions in the moment. next time...i'm like you, in that i get 1-2 weeks a year where schedule and rest and life allow me to have a huge week where my body just feels like it wants to run faster and farther every run... then a week or two later i'm silly slow on my runs just trying to surviverodgers seemed to like to race and was very durable.

Most of my athletes, including 3 of the 4 racing Boston will maintain high volume until the weekend prior. A small reduction in the volume of the Saturday workout 9 days prior and the Sunday long run drops significantly. After that, we maintain frequency of runs, but reduction in volume and volume of intensity. The 4th runner who completes less volune will have less of a taper, the sunday long and midweek medium long run will be reduced, but otherwise volume will largely stay the same except for the 3 days prior.

DaneRauschenberg wrote:

zzzzzzz wrote:

The look is concentration camp chic.

That is a sign of true commitment. You cannot look like a hoggish half marathoner who does a Rock N' Roll event, with meaty thighs rubbing together etc

Jordan Hasay is the real deal.

Look for a 1:07 Half-Marathon tomorrow from Jordan Hasay.

No run doctor,

You seem to have a 6 min/mile perspective.

That isn't what gets it done at the highest level .

So please stop.

I don't understand the point in running another 25 mile training run before Boston even if she says it will be easy. 20 miles, that I can see 10-12 days out but 25 miles, even easy I think is too long too close to the race.

Clearly nothing

JordanHasay.FanClub.Platinum wrote:

Jordan Hasay is the real deal.

Look for a 1:07 Half-Marathon tomorrow from Jordan Hasay.

She did it, but I think she shot her load for Boston.

Rupp ran his race as a prescribed pre-marathon effort and will perform well in two weeks.