Hunter runs 7:51.90 at Armory

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usnspecialist wrote:

I'm showing his birthday as September 5th 1997, so you would be right on that.

Oh well...

Ok, he's not a "young" star...

Good progression however...

End of thread.

Don't forget that GF ran 3:55.0 on a flat 200 track with no pacers two weeks later. Time will tell for Hunter

Don't forget that after 2009 GF would only ever run 1 1500/mile as fast as he ran in that indoor race. Or that he has never run a 3000m as fast as hunter did last night.

I am not sure why everyone needs to use singular top runners to compare Hunter against. Neither Hunter nor any pro is perfect, particularly at the age of 19. Lets just appreciate that a guy one year out of high school just ran a really dang fast 3000m. It's clear that he continues to develop and improve as a runner, albeit incrementally. I personally look forward to see what he can do in the season that really matters - outdoors.

It's absolutely comical how determined some denizens of this board are to poke holes in Hunter's achievements and progression.

My impression is that the avatars of human bitterness that post here seek to transform Drew into another Webb - a bright light burnt out early, who will never consistently produce great results.

Hunter is the well-adjusted Webb. He's got his head on straight. It's a blessing, in fact, that he did not experience the same insane level of hype that Alan did coming out of HS; I think the reduced pressure of expectations will allow him to grow with fewer interruptions.

Yeah, I think we get caught up comparing people's times and dismissing them as if they aren't good in their own right.

IMO, German was a much bigger talent than Hunter. A full year younger and really only had 1.5 years of health before those times. Also, his 7:47 was a race that went out in 4:18. They ran the last 1600 at 4:03.

In any case, the biggest talents don't often pan out. So IMO, I'd rather Hunter be a lesser talent that GF, but stay healthy and consistently improve for his entire career.

Vgvggvgvf wrote:

2 of the 5 on that list stuck with their HS coach (Rupp and Hunter)

The other three changed coaches

Ryun and Fernandez never ran faster at 3000m, than they did as juniors

Ryun's HS coach was the same as his HS coach which is something known by most who are fans of the sport. It also isn't all that pertinent to this discussion because his 3000m was run as a Kansas freshman

Ryun also very rarely ran 3000m so his opportunities and/or motivation to run any faster would have been limited.

If it ain't broken... wrote:

Of course he should stick with that coach. When you have that kind of success and a sensible program you should stick with it. U of O would have been a bad move for him. Not many young guys have the attitude to do what he is doing.

He will not develop to the athlete he could have become.

Big miss not to run the college ranks.

Vgvggvgvf wrote:

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usnspecialist wrote:

I'm showing his birthday as September 5th 1997, so you would be right on that.

Oh well...

Ok, he's not a "young" star...

Good progression however...

End of thread.

Wait a second. Let's reverse this. Hunter is not one of the top 10 US juniors at 3000m (he is close however).

Yesterday, he achieved what only 2 of the top 10 managed to achieve. He improved on his junior time.

Out of the top 10, only Rupp and Derrick have achieved that.

Ryun, Fernandez, Saarel, Lindgren, Nelson, Jennings, Puskedra and Fisher (yet) did not improve on their best 3000m achieved as juniors...

Vgvggvgvf wrote:

If it ain't broken... wrote:

Of course he should stick with that coach. When you have that kind of success and a sensible program you should stick with it. U of O would have been a bad move for him. Not many young guys have the attitude to do what he is doing.

2 of the 5 on that list stuck with their HS coach (Rupp and Hunter)

The other three changed coaches

Ryun and Fernandez never ran faster at 3000m, than they did as juniors

Fisher has not either, but he has yet to run this year.

Ryun didn't run much as a senior all things considered, had a lot problems. Same for Fernandez, not sure of his whole story though. Shame. Ryun was easily better post junior years (look at the strength/speed of his finishes in '67 over the 1500/mile for example vs his junior efforts). Maybe Fernandez became burnt out mentally much the same way as Ryun. Probably won't happen with Hunter, with the contract and lack of hard pressure (so far) from Adidas.

hunter Is good wrote:

Yeah, I think we get caught up comparing people's times and dismissing them as if they aren't good in their own right.

IMO, German was a much bigger talent than Hunter. A full year younger and really only had 1.5 years of health before those times. Also, his 7:47 was a race that went out in 4:18. They ran the last 1600 at 4:03.

In any case, the biggest talents don't often pan out. So IMO, I'd rather Hunter be a lesser talent that GF, but stay healthy and consistently improve for his entire career.

I agree German was a bigger talent than Hunter. Although tbh I think there was a good chance that German was a Daniel Komen/Bekele/Gebrselassie level talent. So fast so young off of so little training... wish we could've seen what he was capable of.

michaelfurey wrote:

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I agree German was a bigger talent than Hunter. Although tbh I think there was a good chance that German was a Daniel Komen/Bekele/Gebrselassie level talent. So fast so young off of so little training... wish we could've seen what he was capable of.

...and at this point Hunter has not run the times over 1500/mile/3000/5000 that Fernandez ran (even as a junior). Time will tell whether Hunter can achieve such times. However, if Hunter stay consistent and healthy, I believe that he will surpass all the times that Fernandez ran. Sucks that avoiding injury is a big part of our sport. Hunter is just not the young phenom that Fernandez was.

Gjgjhhjhgjhgj wrote:

Vgvggvgvf wrote:

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Oh well...

Ok, he's not a "young" star...

Good progression however...

End of thread.

Wait a second. Let's reverse this. Hunter is not one of the top 10 US juniors at 3000m (he is close however).

Yesterday, he achieved what only 2 of the top 10 managed to achieve. He improved on his junior time.

Out of the top 10, only Rupp and Derrick have achieved that.

Ryun, Fernandez, Saarel, Lindgren, Nelson, Jennings, Puskedra and Fisher (yet) did not improve on their best 3000m achieved as juniors...

...and another fact. Rupp and Derrick did not improve on their 3000m junior time in their first year as seniors.

So 0/10 of the top 10 improved their 3000m junior times in their first year as seniors. Hunter is not a top 10 (he must be 11th or 12th), but he did improve on his junior time in his first year in the senior ranks.

Is that 7:51.90 for 3000 meters or the 2 mile? If you are going to post something be specific or don't even start a thread. Guess I have to go start researching now. Stupid

Vgvggvgvf wrote:

That's the 5th Junior US performance ever.

Behind Ryun, Fernandez, Rupp and Fisher.

All big names in front of him.

Sticking to his coach was probably a very good idea.

It will be interesting to see if he can go deeper in the rankings later this year.

Um...the WORLD RECORD in the 2-mile is only 7:58.61 (Daniel Komen, Kenya, 1997), so unless Drew Hunter knocked one outta the ballpark yesterday, he "only" ran a 7:51.90 3000m.

he continues a fine improvement curve and has by no means been overtrained in such a way as to warrant predictions of burning out early, unlike ryun. and he hasn't had the poor health fernandez already had prior to that point. A little known fact is that GF ran that sub 7:50 when he was ill and was just 18 and about four or five months. Check out the interview with him to confirm that fact.

Pretty solid effort for Hunter and the field. No real stars but the pace was honest the whole way

Why do we always need to compare. We have no idea where he is in his training cycle or anything like that. Who cares where he ranks against other kids his age at the same time. It means nothing. He is a great humble kid who is making progress let's just appreciate it. The thing with running is you never know what the ceiling is. If he hits his ceiling now he was still fast. If he is in the olympics in 4 years then great, if not so what. He had a great race, ran a great time faster than any of us will ever run.

why do we need to do that wrote:

Why do we always need to compare. We have no idea where he is in his training cycle or anything like that. Who cares where he ranks against other kids his age at the same time. It means nothing. He is a great humble kid who is making progress let's just appreciate it. The thing with running is you never know what the ceiling is. If he hits his ceiling now he was still fast. If he is in the olympics in 4 years then great, if not so what. He had a great race, ran a great time faster than any of us will ever run.

He has continued his improvement after his junior year

It's unheard of for a very top US junior runners

Good for him

Let's hope that this continues

Saarel may not be done either after all. Let's see what his 4:01 at altitude is really worth. We will find out in the next month if he improves on his 3000m junior time.