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Where are the updates on how Oregon is doing in the team scoring and "how fast these girls could run a football 40" that I've grown to expect after watching espn/abc's track coverage? At least I still get to hear "Historic Hayward Field" every 5 minutes.

Cheap Basterds of LRC wrote:

I'm generally speaking of the LRC motif of not paying for anything.

Paying a broadcaster to show you a sporting event is like paying someone to deliver milk to your door. It is an obsolete service that exists only because event directors are too greedy and stupid to find another business model.

P2P broadcasting is about to kill it though. One or two more years at most. Now would be a fine time for the countless fans with smartphones or wireless cameras to start streaming and post links here. There's no copyright issue, all they can do is try to ban cameras.

Tom Hammonds is as bad as always but I've been looking at the USATF live feed while the coverage is going on . It's great. It shows splits and tells you who wins before Tom and the guys are trying to figure it out. As an aside , men's 100 races that were supposedly live were on tape delay . The live feed had results posted before the Thletes were 3 seconds into the race.

So I've been watching ITV4's (British) coverage of the Tour de France. It is unbelievable how great it is. David Millar (ex-pro) gives some fantastic insight into what it's like to race as a professional cyclist. I don't understand how they can give 3-4 hours of high quality coverage for 3 straight weeks while NBC can't even give decent coverage for the 3.5 minutes of a 1500m race.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Cheap Basterds of LRC wrote:

I'm generally speaking of the LRC motif of not paying for anything.

Paying a broadcaster to show you a sporting event is like paying someone to deliver milk to your door. It is an obsolete service that exists only because event directors are too greedy and stupid to find another business model.

P2P broadcasting is about to kill it though. One or two more years at most. Now would be a fine time for the countless fans with smartphones or wireless cameras to start streaming and post links here. There's no copyright issue, all they can do is try to ban cameras.

You keep repeating this and technically you're wrong. Periscope. P2P. As if you are the first person to have this idea. You're not.

dear God help us all NBC is wo wrote:

Jeezus F Chr___ Hammond now is talking about the "upcoming" match up of Gatlin and Bolt. BOLT IS OUT MORONS!!!! God I HATE NBC!!! The absolute worst in TFF coverage!!!!!

Huh?

Bolt will be in Rio.

It will be a great 100m final with him, Gatlin, Brommel, etc.

Hdjdjsjskwjebehe wrote:

dear God help us all NBC is wo wrote:

Jeezus F Chr___ Hammond now is talking about the "upcoming" match up of Gatlin and Bolt. BOLT IS OUT MORONS!!!! God I HATE NBC!!! The absolute worst in TFF coverage!!!!!

Huh?

Bolt will be in Rio.

It will be a great 100m final with him, Gatlin, Brommel, etc.

Yes, until confirmed otherwise it's safe to assume Bolt is not out. He has time to recover and if he does he's in.

Seriously mate? wrote:

So I've been watching ITV4's (British) coverage of the Tour de France. It is unbelievable how great it is. David Millar (ex-pro) gives some fantastic insight into what it's like to race as a professional cyclist. I don't understand how they can give 3-4 hours of high quality coverage for 3 straight weeks while NBC can't even give decent coverage for the 3.5 minutes of a 1500m race.

David Millar?!?

He is the worst personality to put in front of the camera. Remorseless doper, self-aggrandizing, and an attention whore. Imagine Kara Goucher with a trauma sob story of getting arrested for possesion of EPO. He plays the victim card when he describes the police searching his hotel. Supporter of Lance Armstrong and other dopers through and after they got caught, enforcer of the Omertà. Called the CIRC and its findings of continued doping were blasphemy, but didn't have the balls to go near authorities to give his own testimony. Whined and cried when he wasn't going to be allowed to ride in the Olympics because of his past doping; remember when I called him worse than Kara Goucher? Rode for Garmin and the doper Jon Vaughters post arrest/ban and had results just as good as before his arrest and ban (a team who just saw another "reformed" doper caught, Tom Danielson). Now he sells books and himself as some sort of white knight cyclist, purer than driven snow because he doped. Somehow. And people like you buy it, and buy every word of his snake oil manifesto. One of the worst personalities for the sport.

(And want to know who Millar was meeting with right before the raid on his hotel? Sky's master mind, Dave Brailsford. Wonder what they were talking about).

Who was the announcer for London 2012 for track and field on YouTube? That's an example of a good announcer.

Cheap Basterds of LRC wrote:

I'm generally speaking of the LRC motif of not paying for anything. There was s thread last week banditting races and no one had a problem with stealing race entries.

Our sport operates on thin margins and the reason that the hobby jogger industry has taken over competitive running is that they'll pay for the experience and pay for gear. The average LRC'er won't pay for anything.

And no one here is a USATF member,

I'm a USATF member and I pay for races. Guess I'm not an average LRC'er

How about the fact that NBC don't give a s**t about what the viewers want. A picture in a picture, I doubt if NBC has the capibility to pull that kind of technoligy off. I think we all wish we could stream the competition some where other than NBC. They are like United airlines, they don't care about their passengers they just want their money, or in NBC's views how much they can get from their sponsors. Mark my word, the coverage of the Olympics will be 10 times worse.

My son was sitting in the other room while I was watching the race. Apparently he was cracking up the whole time bucause he could hear me mumbling "show the f***ing race" the whole time.

MM3307 wrote:

Cheap Basterds of LRC wrote:

I'm generally speaking of the LRC motif of not paying for anything. There was s thread last week banditting races and no one had a problem with stealing race entries.

Our sport operates on thin margins and the reason that the hobby jogger industry has taken over competitive running is that they'll pay for the experience and pay for gear. The average LRC'er won't pay for anything.

And no one here is a USATF member,

I'm a USATF member and I pay for races. Guess I'm not an average LRC'er

You are a rare breed, indeed. But I say it over and over: we gave our sport to the hobby joggers because the average visitor here won't pay for anything.

Exactly what I've been saying!

A lot of people complaining about NBC on this thread, and rightly so. But it would be even better if you all sent a comment. Copy pieces of my email, or add on to something general like. Copy these if you want:

I've been watching NBC's coverage of the Olympics and the US Olympic Trials for years, but am now too frustrated tune in. I can find more informative analysis through social media and more detailed updates through USATF live splits and results.

or

The commentary style of Horse Racing that was embraced when Tom Hammond was first brought to the team is not appropriate for real, human athletes. Listening to commentators treat the race without personality is turning my off from tuning in to the sport I love.

or

The disorganized presentation style of the meet has me and my family confused. I am left to try to explain why the race situation is so different from before the cut to after, but it is total speculation as I don't know what happened either.

or

[I am trying to get my [family][friends][cowowkers] to tune in, but they are left confused. They are still trying to learn the sport, but jumps between events ruin any coherent story line for them to understand.[/quote]

Post what you send and let others follow suit.

Bad Wigins wrote:

You Keep talking about copyright. Copyright is not the problem. Your ticket is a license that I am sure is revoked by videotaping. Why don't you think there are 20 stations broadcasting every sporting event?

Cheap Basterds of LRC wrote:

I'm generally speaking of the LRC motif of not paying for anything.

Paying a broadcaster to show you a sporting event is like paying someone to deliver milk to your door. It is an obsolete service that exists only because event directors are too greedy and stupid to find another business model.

P2P broadcasting is about to kill it though. One or two more years at most. Now would be a fine time for the countless fans with smartphones or wireless cameras to start streaming and post links here. There's no copyright issue, all they can do is try to ban cameras.

Seriously mate? wrote:

So I've been watching ITV4's (British) coverage of the Tour de France. It is unbelievable how great it is. David Millar (ex-pro) gives some fantastic insight into what it's like to race as a professional cyclist. I don't understand how they can give 3-4 hours of high quality coverage for 3 straight weeks while NBC can't even give decent coverage for the 3.5 minutes of a 1500m race.

Even the American TV coverage of the Tour is an order of magnitude better than the coverage of track and field. The only thing worse is the American TV coverage of triathlon. You almost never get to see the professional athletes performing, as 90% of the broadcast is devoted to some warm and fuzzy sideline about someone competing in memory of a loved one who died of cancer or something else that is undeniably terribly important to the person in question but not to anyone else.

Big Momma wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Paying a broadcaster to show you a sporting event is like paying someone to deliver milk to your door. It is an obsolete service that exists only because event directors are too greedy and stupid to find another business model.

P2P broadcasting is about to kill it though. One or two more years at most. Now would be a fine time for the countless fans with smartphones or wireless cameras to start streaming and post links here. There's no copyright issue, all they can do is try to ban cameras.

You keep repeating this and technically you're wrong. Periscope. P2P. As if you are the first person to have this idea. You're not.

I never claimed to have invented P2P or that it didn't exist yet, you idiot. I just predicted it will be used at track events, and I'm right.

Doc Brown wrote:

You Keep talking about copyright. Copyright is not the problem. Your ticket is a license that I am sure is revoked by videotaping.

That's ridiculous. Nothing when you buy a ticket says "no cameras," and people bring and use cameras all the time. It is not a license. But announcers at events claim falsely to own the product of those cameras, trying to fool fans who don't understand copyright.

Credentialed media are licensed, at least by implication, to special access. But you don't need credentialed media or special access to broadcast a meet. Technology has gone way beyond that, now any one of hundreds of fans can stream from their own devices, and soon will if they aren't already.

Just try to imagine if they start kicking out everyone pointing a cell phone or camera at the action. Never gonna happen. This NBC shit is on its last legs.