Cruz's 800m training ? coached by Luiz De Oliveira

Yeah man...we all are interested...too bad that few of us seem to have been aware of the meeting. Anyone who's gonna be at Boston Indoor have that article from which the excerpt in the original post was taken?

Be a sport and reprint those hand-outs!!!

Trackhead, if Coe lacked development(and you and others have repeated that one before), then why was his 1500/mile PR CLOSER in comparison to his 800 PR then Snell's best 1500/mile was to his own best 800?? WELL?? How did the guy with all the 100 mile weeks have a BIGGER drop-off from the 800 to the mile than the guy who was more about quality/lower mileage??? Maybe you do not want to see the reality that Snell, based on your own formula, lacked mile development more than Coe did. But how could that be?? Maybe higher mileage is NOT always the solution to every problem and lack of mileage is NOT always the reason for "lack of development." Take a closer look at the #'s. If you do not believe me, I will do the math for you. Let me know!!!!

any chance you could copy those files to pdf and make them available to us? I would be very interested to see those.

What team are we talking about here, because I personally faxed out the information to a number of coaches a week before the meet and the rest were sent emails.

"Second, the long endurance runs create the demand for the fast twitch fibers -- when in conjunction with a program that is working on 400m speed development."

What reality are you in? Long endurance runs have NOTHING to do with creating demand for "fast twitch" fibers. Long runs create demand for the "slow twitch" oxidative fibers.

Better read up on your Physiology...

hey yol Trackhead, I think we have discovered, that you are, in fact, stupid. Apparently I was not living in a dream world where muscle physiology is irrelevant, and furthermore where individuals like yourself make up muscle physiology to suit their arguements. And by the way, you will NEVER, EVER beat me.

Back to the subject as usual. Anyone else got info/stories on Cruz. Definetly in conjuction with Coe and Kipketer the best trained 800m athletes of all time.

A good point about comparing Snell's 800m to mile best.

Without personally interviewing Snell or Lydiard I would conjecture that Snell did not spend enough time in his career to accumulate the volume to develop himself to that point; however it was sufficient time to develop him out ot 800m.

I see the disparity in Snell's case from 800m to one mile; there is however now disparity when comparing his 400m best (48 sec) to his 800m best. I would assume that he had developed himself very well from 400 to 800, but not yet to one mile.

Duh & kumbaba,

I don't make shit up.

"PS: Even in New Zealand the feeling is that his ideas are passe. I can't believe it! I still hold the record there for 800 meters. It's forty years old. You'd think after forty years they might have figured out that they aren't doing something right. Most physiologists are trained on the idea of specificity, and simply can't understand that slow training makes you faster.

RWD: How?

PS: When you run at a moderate pace, your slow twitch muscle fibers are the first ones recruited. But if you run far enough, they become glycogen depleted and can no longer contract, so eventually the fast twitch fibers are recruited. As a sidebar, I was recently at a conference in Las Vegas sponsored by USATF to discuss reasons and suggest solutions for the lack of medals won by U.S. distance runners at Sydney and Edmonton. Because U.S. runners are often buried in the last lap, it was decided that the problem was a lack of speed. Ralph Mann (Olympic silver medalist in the 400 meter hurdles at the 1972 Olympics), who's now a biomechanics expert, was brought in to teach sprint technique. In my opinion, this will not work. The problem isn't lack of speed. They're running out of gas. Everyone else cruises past them because they've got superior endurance. After my presentation, John Chaplin (head coach at Sydney) said, "you're only rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic."

http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-0-0-1963-1-0,00.html

duh wrote:

"Second, the long endurance runs create the demand for the fast twitch fibers -- when in conjunction with a program that is working on 400m speed development."

What reality are you in? Long endurance runs have NOTHING to do with creating demand for "fast twitch" fibers. Long runs create demand for the "slow twitch" oxidative fibers.

Better read up on your Physiology...

No comment?

Yeah, I'd also love to see the handouts. Please post them somewhere or let us know how to get in touch with someone that has a copy.

And what does Snell do for a living?

I recently went to a talk by Cruz and he said that at age 15 he ran a 1:51 800m and a 48.7 400m.

That was just as he was really getting into running, before that he was mostly a basketball player.

exercise physiologist in texas the last i heard

that he is an exercise physiologist

PHD, I've heard. Dr. Snell, I believe.

how many 9:30/4:30 high school runners improved to world-class level with low-mileage training?

I'm extremely interested in reading these handouts and also wonder how many times a week Cruz would actually be on the track?

unfortunately somebody stole my copy of Dellinger's book, but he mentions Cruz's circuit training in it. I do have an old article that outlines Cruz's training in it. I'll dig it up tonight and post the highlights, but I know that he was on the track quite a bit and there was a lot of repetition of 600's and 400's throughout the year in which the times of the repeats just got faster as the year progressed.

So nobody has the info Luiz gave out at Boston? What about the article that outlines cruz's training?