Wheating and OTC Are Really Bad

If you take out guys that have touched the 800. The list of performances actually aren't half bad, and almost every athlete has had their moment in the sun.

But every guy that's ran the 800m has missed critical time with injury.

Nick symmonds with Tyler Mulder showed us Rowland can coach the 800m as well.

I think the biggest issue recently has been keeping guys healthy, mid distance especially, and something has changed from when Nick was on the team, and when he left.

Supposedly OTC has gotten a new physio this 2016 season. So far none of the 800m crew has been impressive. But it's worthwhile to see if their performances can improve after supposedly being more healthy.

Wheating was injured this season. He pulled out of indoors. Nothing else to say. End thread.

Far Out West wrote:

Agree, Jock is a long sprinter and they are trying to turn him into a distance runner. 6 weeks in Flagstaff training with the milers is just stupid for a guy like him. He was better in college off of 15 miles a week and running both open and relay 400's. Nike forced him to OTC and now an entire 4 year Olympic cycle has been wasted unless something miraculous happens.

I always wondered why he didn't train with a guy like Duane Solomon. Both have had the most success with speed based training and have very similar running styles. Maybe Nike won't let him?

Niyonsaba is in OTC...

really bad.

I was under the impression that many of them have OTC specific contracts, rather than individual Nike contracts with the freedom to seek other coaching. Can anyone speak to this? Blankenship and Mead seem to really click with Rowland's program, while others really have not in recent years. Maybe they can't get paid to run anywhere else?

Can't evaluate the workout without the training context.

Base phase is a bit outdated as a concept.

Training is either moving you towards your goal or it isn't. The timing

of the volume-intensity mix of a given workout is either helpful or it isn't.

Nothing magical about long rests or short rests, only the optimal

rest for where the athlete is at mentally and physically.

As for the OTC I think Salazar's overtraining approach spilled

over to Schumacher's overtraining which finally spilled into Rowland

overtraining his athletes.

Mead has run very well. Mostly though the results are mediocre given

the talent/potential of the OTC group.

wheating defender wrote:

Wheating was injured this season. He pulled out of indoors. Nothing else to say. End thread.

Wheating has been done for a while now. He is way past his best years.

/Thread.

Niyonsaba is a dude competing as a female

He was so excited about it hahahaha

Watch wheating and mcnamara's post-race interviews. Both say they are training well and think they'll improve leading up the trials. 1:48 for a 1:44 guy is not terrible. Wheating says his endurance is good, just needs to get sharper.

Mcnamara said he's training consistently and just came down from altitude and it's only a matter of time before his fitness shows in his results.

At the hoka meet, mead, McNamara, and wheating all the some of the fastest 1500s of the night.

This thread is stupid.

Have any of these guys even qualified for the trials besides Mead and Blankenship? Wheating, Fleet, Casey, Jock, Abda, Mulder and Greer all need to run trials times.

...under Gags, not Row

For some reason, OTC-Elite seems to be where Nike puts a lot of foreign athletes. Current roster from website:

Harun Abda - USA but born in Ethiopia

Mohammed Aman - ETH

Ben Blankenship - USA

Patrick Casey - USA

Ashton Eaton - USA

Tom Farrell - GBR

Mac Fleet - USA

Elijah Greer - USA

Charles Jock - USA but born in Ethiopia

Sally Kipyego - KEN

Jordan McNamara - USA

Hassan Mead - USA but born in Somalia

Tyler Mulder - USA

Ciaran O'Lionaird - IRL

Alexi Pappas - GRE

Aisha Praught - JAM

Sheila Reid - CAN

Brianne Theisen Eaton - CAN

Andrew Wheating - USA

Jesse Williams - USA

Not listed on their Web site but currently representing OTC-Elite:

Francine Niyonsaba - BDI

That's 9 out of 21 (43%) representing foreign countries, plus another 3 that were foreign-born, and a foreign head coach. Make of it what you wish. Don't get me wrong; Nike is free to spend their money however they want.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

He is the perfect example of why youblot should not get over excited about college runners & times. Often they never improve on leaving.

So your premise is that if people kept themselves from getting excited about college runners' post-collegiate chances, more of them would improve?

Or is it that if we all take the default condition that every runner will stagnate after graduating, we'll be so pleasantly surprised at those who DO improve that our dicks will swell an extra millimeter or two in all dimensions?

It's gotta be one of these, because I can't really say that if I predict great things for a given post-collegiate runner and those things fail to materialize, then I'm worse off for it. The drive to reduce optimism rises in proportion to the cost of a negative outcome, and in this case I incur no cost of some 1:44 guy in the NCAA goes on to run a series of ugly 1:48s, whack his pud around for five hours a day in front of Maury Povich reruns, and eventually becomes a structural engineer.

qwkdmkd wrote:

Have any of these guys even qualified for the trials besides Mead and Blankenship? Wheating, Fleet, Casey, Jock, Abda, Mulder and Greer all need to run trials times.

This is really the thrust of the focus. Not one of those guys makes less than $50,000/year to run and they're not qualified for the Trials. That is ridiculous.

My comment was deleted because I spoke the truth ain't that a B...

Wheating isn't doing The little things to keep himself healthy like when he ran for U of O, u wanna delete me saying that then it's sad. At least it's The truth

One of the mid guys (I forget which one) once wrote a little article about their workouts. In summary, he basically said that their workouts are harder then actual races. He also went on to say that they all get super competitive and race each other towards the end of each workout. Any runner would tell you that "racing" during the workouts is step #1 to crapping out in actual races.

If that is true, then that is on their coach for allowing that to happen.