Where did anyone say timing was FAT?
Where did anyone say timing was FAT?
Dude I love this, you're so right. He's kenyan, and on that sauce from what I can tell.
malmo wrote:
Where did anyone say timing was FAT?
Isn't it assumed to be FAT when times are reported to 1/100th?
Regular watches go to the hundreth, inaccurately or not.
So what , is he ran 1:15.5?
Rarely can anyone do this in a workout.
It totally makes sense he could run that fast anyway. He split under 46 flat and ran 1:48 easily in HS. and I think 4:10?. He has improved and ran this I presume on a very fast track, probably both marks, the 800 and 600.
Plus he ran an easy 4:07 early on winning by a bit.
He has all the tools, why argue that?
Every once in a while a true wunderkind talent comes along, he could be this year's version.
runnerdnerd wrote:
reed wrote:I bet he won't run 1:45 again indoors, and probably even outdoors. Who does 600m time trials in November?
My college coach made us (our middle distance group) do a 600m time trial in November during my Freshman year. She also had us do a 1500m, 10 minute, and 4 mile time trial all in a 7 day span. The first one was on a Wednesday, then another on Friday, then the third one the following Monday, then the final one that Wednesday. She let us as a group choose the order we would do them and we chose 600m on wed, 4mile on friday, 1500 on Monday, and 10 minute on Wednesday. We had a workout after each of these time trials as well.
I thought it was weird at the time. Now that I am a coach, I wouldn't do this with my athletes. I would do a 600m time trial and have them run a 5k road race instead. Combined with training splits, those two data points should give you 90% of the information you want with less distraction from training than doing 4 time trials in two weeks.
In the case of what my college did, we ended up with times all over the map because of it being time trials as well as being too close together. I ran 1:23 for the 600, 21:18 for the 4 mile on Friday (perfectly flat, but accurately measured), 4:10 for the 1500 (coming through 1200 in 3:12, man did I die hard), and only 3100 meters for the 10 minute.
It's unbelievable that there are college coaches out there who are this idiotic. I can see it on the high school level, but college? I hope that coach has lost his/her job.
well, to answer what do 600TT' s mean in November? It meant he could easily run sub 1:46 with no comp in January.
Nothing more nothing less.
We spoke with Brazier today and have a profile piece up on him on the front page. The piece also includes a full race video:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/01/145-93-opener-just-tip-iceberg-800-phenom-donavan-brazier/
Yuri in ze alcoves wrote:
malmo wrote:Where did anyone say timing was FAT?
Isn't it assumed to be FAT when times are reported to 1/100th?
No. It's assumed that someone reported what they saw on the watch especially since it was a time trial in November.
I apparently erred in my assumption that a respected running publication like Letsrun would be able to report accurate information. I assumed that rojo would know how to report times even though he is a distance guy/coach. Reporting the time to the 100ths place by rojo causes immediate questioning of the time since it is inaccurate. Either the coach does not know how to report times or he does not know how to time. Either way, without an FAT confirmation, the time is questionable.
However, what if it was reported to be 1:15.0? That is still a great time by a guy who has already proven that he can race fast. Does anyone question that he can run that time? Probably not. Just learn to report times correctly. It shows incompetence when you don't.
reed wrote:
I bet he won't run 1:45 again indoors, and probably even outdoors. Who does 600m time trials in November?
Many programs do 600m time trials for the mid d guys in November. No harm in seeing where you're at before Indoor starts.
And why the negativity? It absolutely baffles me that people can find ways to be negative about a true freshman running 1:45! That is absolutely flying, I can't wait to see how much faster than that he runs this year.
96Owl wrote:
I apparently erred in my assumption that a respected running publication like Letsrun would be able to report accurate information. I assumed that rojo would know how to report times even though he is a distance guy/coach. Reporting the time to the 100ths place by rojo causes immediate questioning of the time since it is inaccurate. Either the coach does not know how to report times or he does not know how to time. Either way, without an FAT confirmation, the time is questionable.
However, what if it was reported to be 1:15.0? That is still a great time by a guy who has already proven that he can race fast. Does anyone question that he can run that time? Probably not. Just learn to report times correctly. It shows incompetence when you don't.
You sound a little bit crazy.
At big schools such as Texas A&M, they have a camera set up for practice so they can get FAT times for all their workouts. No reason to use a stop watch for a time trail when there is a perfectly good OMEGA timing equipment laying around. I know someone who ran at Arkansas and they used a starting gun + finish line camera to record performances at time trials
happychineseboy wrote:
At big schools such as Texas A&M, they have a camera set up for practice so they can get FAT times for all their workouts. No reason to use a stop watch for a time trail when there is a perfectly good OMEGA timing equipment laying around. I know someone who ran at Arkansas and they used a starting gun + finish line camera to record performances at time trials
This is true. Arkansas time trials are on youtube for view.
My guess is that they had the FAT system set up for all sorts of time trials. 600 meter, 200 meter, 100 meter....track teams have a variety of different events and the precision of an FAT system would be needed to accurately time a shorter time trial.
This was my assumption as well. It would be nice if Brojos could get confirm/deny from TA&MU.
happychineseboy wrote:
At big schools such as Texas A&M, they have a camera set up for practice so they can get FAT times for all their workouts. No reason to use a stop watch for a time trail when there is a perfectly good OMEGA timing equipment laying around. I know someone who ran at Arkansas and they used a starting gun + finish line camera to record performances at time trials
outdoors and indoors.differences.
Seriously mate? wrote:
So he's in the same shape in January as he was in November? Is that a good or bad thing?
Metric Miler wrote:
I am confused with the negativity on this and other threads about Brazier. An 18 year old ran 1:45 indoors, pretty much solo. This is a good thing for the future of American middle distance running, surely!
+100
I feel like a lot of people on this thread are kind of missing the point. This kid ran 1:45!!!!!!!!! Let's assume the worst and say he burned it too hot in December/January, and burns out the rest of indoor, and even outdoor. THEN WE STILL HAD A U.S. KID RUN 1:45 INDOORS!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure, I do think that he probably will not improve a ton the rest of the season, and die off before nationals due to overtraining a little during the offseason. However, HE STILL RAN 1:45 AS AN 18 YEAR OLD! Even if he doesn't PR for the rest of his freshman year, he'll learn from his mistakes and train smarter next year. And that's about the worst that can happen. The best is that he's a once in a generation runner and takes another second or two off his time to win nationals, maybe even make the Olympic team. So why are people freaking out about how early he ran this time? Either way it's awesome to see US talent like this.
[quote]reed wrote:
I bet he won't run 1:45 again indoors, and probably even outdoors. Who does 600m time trials in November?[/quote
Why so negative?
Perhaps he will never run faster, but that can be said for any PR that is ever run. Also, time trials / fitness tests can be done at anytime, start of the season mid-season and late season.
Seriously mate? wrote:
So he's in the same shape in January as he was in November? Is that a good or bad thing?
If he was holding a long peak after weeks of 800-specific workouts, it would be a bad thing.
From the interview it is clear he hasn't been doing anything like that; 1:14/1:45 is therefore his baseline, fit but pre-racing-season level.
That is what we call "a good thing."