coach d wrote:
In every one of these, you face people has fast or faster than you at your best. Every race is extremely stressful and distance runners have never experienced anything like it.
lol, distance runners haven't run multiple races in one day? You really are an idiot.
Distance runners are a bunch of slow losers who can't even run fast enough to do what is warmup pace for real sprinters. They're not even athletes: They're a bunch of people who can't sprint. The force requirement and the load on the muscle fiber goes up exponentially with speed, which distance runners can't understand because they're not fast enough. 5K, 10K and marathons are slow paced jogs run not much more than half as fast as Bolt's or de Grasse's race pace. There are plenty of sprinters, including me, who have not run once all year as slow as Rupp's race pace.
Rupp and Farah will run a total of 3 heats much slower than deGrasse, not 7 or 8, and they have not run anywhere near the number of races that de Grasse and Bromell have.
coach d wrote:
Distance runners are a bunch of slow losers who can't even run fast enough to do what is warmup pace for real sprinters. They're not even athletes: They're a bunch of people who can't sprint. The force requirement and the load on the muscle fiber goes up exponentially with speed, which distance runners can't understand because they're not fast enough. 5K, 10K and marathons are slow paced jogs run not much more than half as fast as Bolt's or de Grasse's race pace. There are plenty of sprinters, including me, who have not run once all year as slow as Rupp's race pace.
Rupp and Farah will run a total of 3 heats much slower than deGrasse, not 7 or 8, and they have not run anywhere near the number of races that de Grasse and Bromell have.
You are truly an idiot.
Sprinters can race every weekend all season without injury. Try doing that in the 10,000.
Also, Andre did not run 9 races at Canadian nationals. You made that up.
coach d wrote:
Distance runners are a bunch of slow losers who can't even run fast enough to do what is warmup pace for real sprinters. They're not even athletes: They're a bunch of people who can't sprint. The force requirement and the load on the muscle fiber goes up exponentially with speed, which distance runners can't understand because they're not fast enough. 5K, 10K and marathons are slow paced jogs run not much more than half as fast as Bolt's or de Grasse's race pace. There are plenty of sprinters, including me, who have not run once all year as slow as Rupp's race pace.
It doesn't follow that because one can't sprint, that one isn't an athlete. Further, it is not the case that all distance runners are unable to sprint. Nor is it the case that all distance runners are losers.
Usually when someone insults another in the course of making an argument, it's a sign that he has certain biases which prevent him from thinking about the issue rationally. You've employed bad reasoning in the post above. Your argument is invalid.
coach d wrote:
Distance runners are a bunch of slow losers who can't even run fast enough to do what is warmup pace for real sprinters. They're not even athletes: They're a bunch of people who can't sprint. The force requirement and the load on the muscle fiber goes up exponentially with speed, which distance runners can't understand because they're not fast enough. 5K, 10K and marathons are slow paced jogs run not much more than half as fast as Bolt's or de Grasse's race pace. There are plenty of sprinters, including me, who have not run once all year as slow as Rupp's race pace.
Rupp and Farah will run a total of 3 heats much slower than deGrasse, not 7 or 8, and they have not run anywhere near the number of races that de Grasse and Bromell have.
No sprinter has ever done a warm-up with the initial portion at faster than a staggering jog.
And sprinters can't run a mile as fast as any decent middle school girl. They must not be athletes either.
Rupp and Farah are only running three races because those races are actually physically taxing. While any event at this level is tough mentally and takes an enormous amount of talent and dedication, running 10 flat in a prelim isn't exactly going to wreck Bromell or deGrasse. Souleiman will run six races and Dibaba five if you want to know what a really challenging racing schedule looks like.
Finally, stop trying to lump yourself in with elite sprinters in any way. You're embarrassing yourself.
coach d wrote:
I don't think that the Canadians can make the 4X100 finals without him, but I wish they would hold him out.
While making the finals is by no means guaranteed without de Grasse, Canada finished third in the 4*100m at the 2012 Olympics (before being DQ'd for stepping once on the line). I would say that, even without de Grasse, the next best 4 Canadian 100m sprinters are better now than they were in 2012. They just need to figure out how to get the baton around the track cleanly.
Coach D is obviously right. I am not an elite athlete of any sort, but I am a fan of the sport, and I would have thought it was common knowledge that the stresses placed on the body by sprinting at the highest level are far greater than those distance athletes face. That's not too pooh-pooh distance runners effort or anything. Certainly they are working hard, but DeGrasse has just been through an NCAA season. NCAA coaches are notoriously unconcerned with little beyond winning titles for their schools, so deGrasse in all likelihood has just been worked to the max since winter, and given his relative inexperience, it is not unlikely that he is running on fumes. The idea that another 4 races is no big deal is just wrong. If he comes through this meet uninjured and makes the final in the 100m, I think he's done well. Then, next year, he needs to redshirt or think about turning pro if the coach doesn't plan his entire year's with the Olympics in mind.
you lie wrote:
coach d wrote:Distance runners are a bunch of slow losers who can't even run fast enough to do what is warmup pace for real sprinters. They're not even athletes: They're a bunch of people who can't sprint. The force requirement and the load on the muscle fiber goes up exponentially with speed, which distance runners can't understand because they're not fast enough. 5K, 10K and marathons are slow paced jogs run not much more than half as fast as Bolt's or de Grasse's race pace. There are plenty of sprinters, including me, who have not run once all year as slow as Rupp's race pace.
Rupp and Farah will run a total of 3 heats much slower than deGrasse, not 7 or 8, and they have not run anywhere near the number of races that de Grasse and Bromell have.
No sprinter has ever done a warm-up with the initial portion at faster than a staggering jog.
Many sprinters, especially the better ones, don't even bother to jog in warm-ups any more. Its really a complete waste of time for them.
That is good management and coaching on behalf of Andre.
The guy is 3 yrs into his sprinting career and can blow a hamstring easily this late in the season. They are taking an intelligent long term approach. So many guys here on LetsRun don't understand that athletes are not machines and cannot perform at their peak at all times. That is why Rupp, Bolt, etc are always criticized for not always being in top form.
coach d wrote:
Their plan is to peak for NCAAs and WC. He actually ran 19.88 while training through the meet (Pan Ams). But that doesn't change how hard championship races are. Consider what happened to Tyson Gay for YEARS after running 9.68w in the 2008 OT and trying to run the 200m heats a couple of days later. Consider what happened to Allyson Felix in Moscow from doing 3 200 heats in 3 days in hot conditions where many athletes were dehydrated because the national team women's coach did a terrible job.
essientally he's looking at 3 peaks, indoor NCAAs, NCAA outdoors and WC and considering the big picture and the number of race's he's run this year doing the 100m and the 4x100 where he can hopfully sit out a qualifying race is his best move
ideally i feel double periodization with an indoor peak and an outdoor peak would be best but that's impossible for elite college sprinters because of the gap between outdoor NCAA's and Worlds
coach d, I've never seen you lose your cool. Too bad, I've always appreciated your insights. Now we know what the d stands for. No one is saying sprint heats aren't tough. They are grueling. But don't say they are harder than doing heats for a 1500/5000m double etc. you are uneducated in that experience set. It's good to know that distance runners aren't sprinters though. I didn't know that. But, it's equally good to know that sprinters ARE the athletes in track and field. You're comparing apples to oranges man. It's like ragging on a brain surgeon for not doing any heart surgeries. There's probably no 100m/200msprinter who can just go out and run 5-600m at the pace of rupp Farrah rudisha kiprop Willis etc. does that make them 'not athletes'? No, of course it doesn't. Ashton Eaton. Where do you put him in the athlete/ not-an-athlete list? Not an elite sprinter. Not an elite distance runner. Not an elite thrower. Not an elite jumper. AMAZING ATHLETE
coach d wrote:
Distance runners are a bunch of slow losers who can't even run fast enough to do what is warmup pace for real sprinters. They're not even athletes: They're a bunch of people who can't sprint. The force requirement and the load on the muscle fiber goes up exponentially with speed, which distance runners can't understand because they're not fast enough. 5K, 10K and marathons are slow paced jogs run not much more than half as fast as Bolt's or de Grasse's race pace. There are plenty of sprinters, including me, who have not run once all year as slow as Rupp's race pace.
Rupp and Farah will run a total of 3 heats much slower than deGrasse, not 7 or 8, and they have not run anywhere near the number of races that de Grasse and Bromell have.
guessing its "coached"
I'd rather not see DeGrasse even try for the relay. Canadian relay teams are developing a habit of lane infractions at big races (Oly, PanAm). It's a waste of energy if you're just going to blow it away.
According to Coach Dee, Ezekial Kemboi, the most athletic MF is track and field, is not an athlete?
Kemboi could probably take it to most sprinters in a 400.
