ARMSTRONG- NEVER FAILED
JONES- NEVER FAILED
BONDS- NEVER FAILED
A-ROD- NEVER FAILED
McGWIRE- NEVER FAILED
MONTGOMERY- NEVER FAILED
There is NO WAY Justin Gatlin is clean!!! Obviously he and his team have found the "Secret Sauce". If he's smart (like Flo Jo was), he will break the World Record in both the 100/200 and retire. If he keeps being greedy he will get caught. His only downfall outside of a positive test is that someone on his team leaks information and or sells him out.
IIRC, Lance failed a test in late 90's, but was covered by UCI at the time.
SOUL PATROL wrote:
ARMSTRONG- NEVER FAILED
JONES- NEVER FAILED
BONDS- NEVER FAILED
A-ROD- NEVER FAILED
McGWIRE- NEVER FAILED
MONTGOMERY- NEVER FAILED
There is NO WAY Justin Gatlin is clean!!! Obviously he and his team have found the "Secret Sauce". If he's smart (like Flo Jo was), he will break the World Record in both the 100/200 and retire. If he keeps being greedy he will get caught. His only downfall outside of a positive test is that someone on his team leaks information and or sells him out.
It doesn't have to be a secret sauce. It just has to be a small enough dose of sauce not to trigger a positive. That's what Salazar's experiments on his sons and the BBC reporter's tests on himself proved.
SOUL PATROL wrote:
ARMSTRONG- NEVER FAILED
JONES- NEVER FAILED
BONDS- NEVER FAILED
A-ROD- NEVER FAILED
McGWIRE- NEVER FAILED
MONTGOMERY- NEVER FAILED
There is NO WAY Justin Gatlin is clean!!! Obviously he and his team have found the "Secret Sauce". If he's smart (like Flo Jo was), he will break the World Record in both the 100/200 and retire. If he keeps being greedy he will get caught. His only downfall outside of a positive test is that someone on his team leaks information and or sells him out.
It's not totally fair to say that none of those people "failed" tests. A bunch of them failed tests but avoided suspension.
Armstrong tested positive for corticosteroids in 1999 but got a back-dated TUE. When six of his samples from 1999 were re-tested in 2005 they came back positive for EPO, but there were no B samples to be tested.
Jones was suspended for missing a drug test, but got it overturned. One of her A samples tested positive, but she was cleared by the B sample.
A-Rod failed a drug test for steroids in 2003 and Bonds failed a test for amphetamines. McGuire was never tested since he retired before baseball implemented testing.
Do you guys have any idea how ludicrous you sound? The Salem witch trials or Javert's pursuit of Valjean or J. Edgar Hoover's obsession with the love life of Martin Luther King were all cool breezy runs in Central Park compared to the Let's-Not-Run, let's-just put Gatlin and Rupp through purgatory and slander Salazar set.The likelihood of any of them still doping is close to zero. Get a life.
UMMMHMMM wrote:
gatlin and elfie rupp need to be tested thousands of times a year
Ffredericks wrote:
A lot of misunderstandings here,
Gatlin has been tested 59 times by USADA. The total number of tests is likely much higher because USADA's jurisdiction is limited to the USA.
When he is competing outside the country, he is being tested by the local NADA (if there is one ).
All these tests aren't going to show up in USADA's count.He can also be tested by WADA & IAAF independantly.
This is worrying because it means that, if dirty, he can pass them without problems.
The same goes for S. Williams. As a pro tennis player, she is overseas 90% of the year. I think that she lives in France part of the year.
When in France, if she is going to be tested, it will be by AFLD (at the request of ITF or not), in Britain, by UKAD.
a NADA can test any athlete within their territory, whatever his nationality. A pro tennis player isn't going to show up a lot in tne total
count unless he lives permanently in the country.
And in all these examples, typically, it is either her national federation (doubtful) or the international federation ordering the tests.
Again, just because an athlete is tested and no sanction doesn't mean the results of the test were negative and/or the athlete isn't doping. Even if the NADO has a positive result as a result of a federation's test, they have no authority to sanction athletes.
Most of the dope tests in competition are urinalysis which are easy to defeat. Out of competition testing could be blood or urinalysis testing. Blood testing is very expensive compared to urinalysis so it doesn't happen too often. That's another opportunity to dope.
Plenty of opportunities to dope and never test positive even without the sports federation protecting the star athletes.
TrackCoach wrote:
Ben L Wrong wrote:http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/athletics-gatlin-tested-59-times-by-us-anti-doping-agency-since-return-to-trackHe and Galen Rupp also are the most tested athletes by USADA in this period.
So, really, what is he taking now?
In Gatlin's case, some of his test have come very early in the morning and late at night. Gatlin was tested once at an airport as soon as he arrived in Europe. There were other athletes on the flight with him and he was the only one tested. WADA and USADA are going out of their way to keep him in check, but he brought this level of scrutiny upon himself. Btw, testing does work, just ask any of the athletes who have been busted..
Ever hear of the clear!
ukathleticscoach wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:In Gatlin's case, some of his test have come very early in the morning and late at night. Gatlin was tested once at an airport as soon as he arrived in Europe. There were other athletes on the flight with him and he was the only one tested. WADA and USADA are going out of their way to keep him in check, but he brought this level of scrutiny upon himself. Btw, testing does work, just ask any of the athletes who have been busted..
Ever hear of the clear!
He could be taking what he was taking when he tested positive, but in quantities low enough not to trigger a positive. Just because a dose is small enough that it doesn't trigger a positive is no reason to think it is ineffective.
Salazar's testosterone experiments on his children show how it is possible to carefully calibrate dosing to figure out what threshold you have to hit before you test positive. The threshold for testing positive with T/E ratios include a margin for error to take into account natural variability and avoid false positives. You can dope without testing positive if you don't cross that line.
SOUL PATROL wrote:
If he keeps being greedy he will get caught.
Not likely. The federation is okay with the doping. It's bringing viewers and people talk about track and field.
I'm eagerly anticipating the "hard work is an anti-aging remedy" stories before/during Rio.
runDirtyrun wrote:
SOUL PATROL wrote:If he keeps being greedy he will get caught.
Not likely. The federation is okay with the doping. It's bringing viewers and people talk about track and field.
I'm eagerly anticipating the "hard work is an anti-aging remedy" stories before/during Rio.
I've got to disagree with this type of conspiracy thinking. We're not dealing with the NFL/MLB in the 1990s, multi-billion dollar corporations who were making tons of money off steroid-pumped superathletes. I doubt your average USATF official is eager to celebrate Gatlin--not when there are plenty of other ostensibly clean athletes to focus on. And a corporation like Nike, which maybe doesn't care that much about doping, still has to be sensitive about connecting themselves too prominently with someone with Gatlin's reputation. (That concern for bad PR is about the only thing that I think might eventually doom Salazar's NOP, especially if more evidence emerges.) Plus, there's the USADA, staffed by people who I think would really enjoy catching someone who was cheating to defeat their testing. Remember the glee with which they announced they'd finally nabbed Armstrong.
Gatlin isn't as high profile as Armstrong, but I don't think you're going to see too many up-close and personals about how Gatlin's trainer rubbed steroid cream on his shoulders to sabotage him, although now that I think of it, it would make a good segment, especially if they did a reenactment, and had the trainer played by a seductive female. It could be like a reverse Samson and Delilah.
Until gatlin runs 9.5/19.2 I'm not gonna suspect him of doping. This guy is working hard and racing all out every outing. Bolt never did that he would always wait till finals to go all out. What u see is what u get with gatlin he's 33 yrs old and so he's gotta go all out to win. He won't run faster than 9.75 and 19.55 even in an Olympic final with bolt running 9.4 and 19.0 it wouldn't make gat run any faster. He's got great mechanics and is healthy and firing all cylinders. If he gets so much as a hiccup u will see his performance decline rapidly. Leave the guy alone he's done his time and is now reaping the benefits of that break and all the hard work he's putting in. Prayers for Lafayette, la
How many times was Rupp tested in 2015?
Square pants wrote:
Until gatlin runs 9.5/19.2 I'm not gonna suspect him of doping. This guy is working hard and racing all out every outing.
Doping allows you the hard work, and prevent injuries. This is out of the question.
How many times was Lance tested?
Justin Gatlin is a modern day hero.
Square pants wrote:
Until gatlin runs 9.5/19.2 I'm not gonna suspect him of doping. This guy is working hard and racing all out every outing. Bolt never did that he would always wait till finals to go all out. What u see is what u get with gatlin he's 33 yrs old and so he's gotta go all out to win. He won't run faster than 9.75 and 19.55 even in an Olympic final with bolt running 9.4 and 19.0 it wouldn't make gat run any faster. He's got great mechanics and is healthy and firing all cylinders. If he gets so much as a hiccup u will see his performance decline rapidly. Leave the guy alone he's done his time and is now reaping the benefits of that break and all the hard work he's putting in. Prayers for Lafayette, la
Until 9.5/19.2??????
I'm not sure what your track backround is but you've obviously have had too much of the Justin Gatlin Kool Aid!!! First off, once you have been caught cheating there is no such thing as "Doing your time". YOU ARE A CHEATER and will ALWAYS BE A CHEATER!!!!!! Don't forget that Justin also tested positive for amphetamines in 2001 (later overturned because of a medical issue-still not legal). And what is this theory of "Time Off" and his body is "Rested"??? It doesn't work that way. You must still train and still develop muscle in order to reach a peak. This takes both years of training and racing. Ever heard of the saying "Use it or Lose it"? This occurs in your early to mid 20's for sprinters when you're physically hitting your peak. I believe Justin was suspended when he was 23-24 years old. Now at 33 years old he has run under 9.80 a handful of times this year and his 200m time is off the charts compared to the last two years. The bottom line is that you just don't rip off a bunch of sub 9.80's and sub 20.0's over the course of 3 plus months (and still not done) in a single season without help. If you think his 100m times are fast watch what he does in the 200m. Your 19.2 will be a reality!!! As I've always said..."You ain't cheatin' til you get caught, but when you do get caught you're DONE".
Enjoy the Justin Gatlin show this summer. Just like the Lance Armstrong show and the Ben Johnson show.
SOUL PATROL wrote:
Square pants wrote:Until gatlin runs 9.5/19.2 I'm not gonna suspect him of doping. This guy is working hard and racing all out every outing. Bolt never did that he would always wait till finals to go all out. What u see is what u get with gatlin he's 33 yrs old and so he's gotta go all out to win. He won't run faster than 9.75 and 19.55 even in an Olympic final with bolt running 9.4 and 19.0 it wouldn't make gat run any faster. He's got great mechanics and is healthy and firing all cylinders. If he gets so much as a hiccup u will see his performance decline rapidly. Leave the guy alone he's done his time and is now reaping the benefits of that break and all the hard work he's putting in. Prayers for Lafayette, la
Until 9.5/19.2??????
I'm not sure what your track backround is but you've obviously have had too much of the Justin Gatlin Kool Aid!!! First off, once you have been caught cheating there is no such thing as "Doing your time". YOU ARE A CHEATER and will ALWAYS BE A CHEATER!!!!!! Don't forget that Justin also tested positive for amphetamines in 2001 (later overturned because of a medical issue-still not legal). And what is this theory of "Time Off" and his body is "Rested"??? It doesn't work that way. You must still train and still develop muscle in order to reach a peak. This takes both years of training and racing. Ever heard of the saying "Use it or Lose it"? This occurs in your early to mid 20's for sprinters when you're physically hitting your peak. I believe Justin was suspended when he was 23-24 years old. Now at 33 years old he has run under 9.80 a handful of times this year and his 200m time is off the charts compared to the last two years. The bottom line is that you just don't rip off a bunch of sub 9.80's and sub 20.0's over the course of 3 plus months (and still not done) in a single season without help. If you think his 100m times are fast watch what he does in the 200m. Your 19.2 will be a reality!!! As I've always said..."You ain't cheatin' til you get caught, but when you do get caught you're DONE".
Enjoy the Justin Gatlin show this summer. Just like the Lance Armstrong show and the Ben Johnson show.
Lol you sound like Kara Goucher. "It doesn't work that way." Just because you get caught with drugs doesn't mean you're "DONE" and you don't seem to understand that when Gatilin got caught he took time off and rebooted. How about instead of demonizing Gatlin and finger point you should finger point towards USATF and USADA. Grow up young lady.
SOUL PATROL wrote:
The bottom line is that you just don't rip off a bunch of sub 9.80's and sub 20.0's over the course of 3 plus months (and still not done) in a single season without help.
Careful you don't get drunk on that Koolaid.
HaLOL wrote:
SOUL PATROL wrote:Until 9.5/19.2??????
I'm not sure what your track backround is but you've obviously have had too much of the Justin Gatlin Kool Aid!!! First off, once you have been caught cheating there is no such thing as "Doing your time". YOU ARE A CHEATER and will ALWAYS BE A CHEATER!!!!!! Don't forget that Justin also tested positive for amphetamines in 2001 (later overturned because of a medical issue-still not legal). And what is this theory of "Time Off" and his body is "Rested"??? It doesn't work that way. You must still train and still develop muscle in order to reach a peak. This takes both years of training and racing. Ever heard of the saying "Use it or Lose it"? This occurs in your early to mid 20's for sprinters when you're physically hitting your peak. I believe Justin was suspended when he was 23-24 years old. Now at 33 years old he has run under 9.80 a handful of times this year and his 200m time is off the charts compared to the last two years. The bottom line is that you just don't rip off a bunch of sub 9.80's and sub 20.0's over the course of 3 plus months (and still not done) in a single season without help. If you think his 100m times are fast watch what he does in the 200m. Your 19.2 will be a reality!!! As I've always said..."You ain't cheatin' til you get caught, but when you do get caught you're DONE".
Enjoy the Justin Gatlin show this summer. Just like the Lance Armstrong show and the Ben Johnson show.
Lol you sound like Kara Goucher. "It doesn't work that way." Just because you get caught with drugs doesn't mean you're "DONE" and you don't seem to understand that when Gatilin got caught he took time off and rebooted. How about instead of demonizing Gatlin and finger point you should finger point towards USATF and USADA. Grow up young lady.
REBOOTED??? Do you even run? Have you ever run? Uhhhh.....YES YOUR DONE!!! Can you name a track athlete that tested positive by accident? or mistake? and coincidentally was ranked No#1 in the world or a world record holder? Gatlin has tested positive TWICE!!!!....that's right TWICE!!!! Testosterone cream inadvertently massaged on my BUTT!!! Attention Deficit Disorder when he was a kid!!!(aka he didn't like school and was a screw up) REALLY!!!!! Why would he stop cheating??? He has nothing to lose. He could give a SH*T about getting caught again. Has it ever occurred to you that he's not very intelligent? Can you say Tim Montgomery???
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE TESTOSTERONE CREAM.....Jackass!
SOUL PATROL wrote:
HaLOL wrote:Lol you sound like Kara Goucher. "It doesn't work that way." Just because you get caught with drugs doesn't mean you're "DONE" and you don't seem to understand that when Gatilin got caught he took time off and rebooted. How about instead of demonizing Gatlin and finger point you should finger point towards USATF and USADA. Grow up young lady.
REBOOTED??? Do you even run? Have you ever run? Uhhhh.....YES YOUR DONE!!! Can you name a track athlete that tested positive by accident? or mistake? and coincidentally was ranked No#1 in the world or a world record holder? Gatlin has tested positive TWICE!!!!....that's right TWICE!!!! Testosterone cream inadvertently massaged on my BUTT!!! Attention Deficit Disorder when he was a kid!!!(aka he didn't like school and was a screw up) REALLY!!!!! Why would he stop cheating??? He has nothing to lose. He could give a SH*T about getting caught again. Has it ever occurred to you that he's not very intelligent? Can you say Tim Montgomery???
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE TESTOSTERONE CREAM.....Jackass!
Haha he's not done, he's out there competing. And so is Tyson Gay, Galen Rupp, and Mo Farah. If you get caught, you find another way and let your supporting cast back you up (Nike, Hoka etc.) It might be Testosterone Cream, EPO, or heck maybe a new substance that is surfacing. You're not an official of the WADA so no need to reply LIKE THIS WITH ALL-CAPS and behave like a witch burner and crucifie every athlete on some thread on the Internet. Yeah these men are dirty, but how about instead of focusing on the scum of our sport and focus on those who you "think" aren't on drugs.