Free speech and race debate along with simple observations is one thing. But what gets me is when the gutless wonder OP says someone else was wondering.... Grow a pair will you! I suppose I'll be banned for a while for hurting your little feelings on your overly controlled dialogue site while so much other crap gets posted constantly that has nothing to do with the sport. 12 year olds only?
Bobby Morrow was the Olympic gold medalist in 100m, 200m, and 4X100 in 1956. They didn't literally have metric championships and the had AAU, so he ran 100y, 220y, and the metric events in the Olympics only.
coach d wrote:
Bobby Morrow was the Olympic gold medalist in 100m, 200m, and 4X100 in 1956. They didn't literally have metric championships and the had AAU, so he ran 100y, 220y, and the metric events in the Olympics only.
Figures that Coach Douche would be weighing in with his Bobby Morrow reference. He has his picture up in a little shrine in his double wide along with his sheets, flammable cross, and noose.
http://www.castefootball.us/about/Coach Douche's other avocation
Why are we discussing Jenna's race? She is a great track & field athlete. So what if she is white. Can't we just enjoy her great performances and her very bright future in the sport.
Yooiiytt wrote:
Ah, the simpleton that cannot have the conversation about race. It is only a stereotype because the stats point out that it is a rare occurrence. I know far left people hate the facts of it destroys the thought police and very ignorantly calling things ignorant. Keeping it real is not ignorance nor is it racist. Please point to results over the last 40 years and tell me that white people on avg are anywhere close to being as successful at sprints instead of spewing your ignorance.
So you are saying people on the right never point out ignorant statements - ie statements absent of knowledge and if you do you nuse be far left.
I call it spreading ignorance because - at least it seems - that you think it's rare because being white inhibits ability to sprint. I call it reinforcing stereotypes because we have a tendency to guide kids toward events that "fit" their race. If I thought even for a second that it were possible to have an actual intelligent conversation about race or much of anything on here I would engage and encourage everyone to join in. But i know it results in name calling and political bashing. Trust me my friend I have had more real, in person or non-annoymous conversations about race than you ever will. And if you'd like to engage please give me a way to contact you and we can discuss. We can talk about why so few white kids sprint and jump and why so few black kids run long distance.
Anyway. My original point was why is it more impressive or worth posting about Jenna being white than posting about the 20 year old that is the first collegiate female to go sub 54 in the 400h? Or any of the phenomenal results by the youngsters?
Paging Dennis Hopper wrote:
He has a very political incorrect analysis of whether all Italians can claim to be white.
By Hoppers fine analysis, all Brits are "eggplants" as well since the Romans (who were coming in from southern Italy) conquered that area, so by his logic the queen of England is black...
Official CAIR statememt: "Since there were no muslims competing at these championships this competition is racially biased and politically incorrect. We call on US attorney General Eric holder do a taxpayer funded investigation. It is very Islamophobic that muslim women run slower because they wear bodybags; instead USATF should subtract 5 seconds from their times to be more fair. Our council would also like to request that USATF disqualify any athlete that wears a combination of blue and white while competing (especially David Torrence, he looks too Jewish). Since anarchy is against Islamic principles and Prandini is Italian she should be immediately disqualified from this championship."
-Gadeer Maddas, on behalf of the council
Next time please provide the requisite trigger alert.
questioner of things wrote:
You definitely seem offended / annoyed.
Why is it that if someone questions an idea or statement and they must be offended?
maybe this is why the media doesn't mention this in the rare times in which white athletes win a sprint event, because immediately there is this unending debate about her race and its relevance and so on. take this as more proof that it is not about race, but about talent, hard work, and belief, and without the belief in the possibility of winning, there won't be the hard work and the participation in the sport at all, as you can see with European distance runners over the last couple decades, who lost all belief they could compete with Africans and so gave it to them by default.
Prandini and Todd came up big here. I was surprised mildly when Prandini went out in the 100m heats and then surprised mildly that she was able to dominate this 200m field as much as she did (raising her arms at the end slowed her time). I was also surprised that Todd had a poor NCAA champs but did great here, whereas Prandini carried Oregon at NCAA champs, bowed in the 100m heats, and didn't compete in the LJ. And how about Whitney running mid 22s at 17??? Also, one caveat about this victory is obviously that Felix had the bye and was absent, another reason to get rid of the bye system.
Branding didn't go out in the 100 heats, she got 6th in the final.
jjjjj wrote:
I was surprised mildly when Prandini went out in the 100m heats and then surprised mildly that she was able to dominate this 200m field as much as she did (raising her arms at the end slowed her time). I was also surprised that Todd had a poor NCAA champs but did great here, whereas Prandini carried Oregon at NCAA champs, bowed in the 100m heats, and didn't compete in the LJ. And how about Whitney running mid 22s at 17??? Also, one caveat about this victory is obviously that Felix had the bye and was absent, another reason to get rid of the bye system.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but Prandini did not go out in the heats of the 100.
Results of the final:
1 Tori Bowie 10.81
2 English Gardner 10.86
3 Jasmine Todd 10.92
4 Jeneba Tarmoh 10.93
5 Tianna Bartoletta 10.94
6 Jenna Prandini 10.96
7 Carmelita Jeter 11.01
8 Dezerea Bryant 11.08
Here's the rest of the story. This is the all-time list of caucasian women that have run sub-11:
10.77 +0.9 Irina PRIVALOVA 22 NOV 1968 RUS RUS 1 Lausanne 06 JUL 1994
10.77 +0.7 Ivet LALOVA 18 MAY 1984 BUL BUL 1 Plovdiv 19 JUN 2004
10.81 +1.7 Marlies GÖHR 21 MAR 1958 GDR GDR 1 Berlin 08 JUN 1983
10.82 -0.3 Zhanna BLOCK 6 JUL 1972 UKR UKR 1 Edmonton (Commonwealth Stadium) 06 AUG 2001
10.83 +1.7 Marita KOCH 18 FEB 1957 GDR GDR 2r1 Berlin 08 JUN 1983
10.83 +0.1 Ekateríni THÁNOU 1 FEB 1975 GRE GRE 2sf1 Sevilla (La Cartuja) 22 AUG 1999
10.85 +2.0 Anelia NUNEVA 30 JUN 1962 BUL BUL 1h1 Sofia 02 SEP 1988
10.86 +0.6 Silke GLADISCH-MÖLLER 20 JUN 1964 GDR GDR 1 Potsdam 20 AUG 1987
10.89 +1.8 Katrin KRABBE 22 NOV 1969 GDR GDR 1r2 Berlin 20 JUL 1988
10.91 +0.2 Heike DRECHSLER 16 DEC 1964 GDR GDR 2 Moskva 06 JUL 1986
10.92 +0.1 Yuliya NESTSIARENKA 15 JUN 1979 BLR BLR 1sf1 Athína (Olympic Stadium) 21 AUG 2004
10.93 +1.8 Ewa KASPRZYK 7 SEP 1957 POL POL 1 Grudziadz 27 JUN 1986
10.94 +1.8 Dafne SCHIPPERS 15 JUN 1992 NED NED 1 Hengelo 24 MAY 2015
10.96 +2.0 Galina MALCHUGINA 17 DEC 1962 EUN EUN 2 Moskva 22 JUN 1992
Something here is pretty obvious--almost everyone on the list is a known doper--maybe Schippers might be the only clean athlete on this list. Also, anyone else notice that all the pure sprinters at Oregon with amazing performances are female, like the East Germans? Steroids/testosterone have a greater effect on women.
I'm not going to argue that all of the black women on the sub-11 list are clean either: Ottey, Marion Jones, Fraser-Pryce, Sherone Simpson come to mind. But if you think Rupp was the only Duck to microdose testosterone, I think you need your head examined.
Ben Vaughn 1970.
jsquire wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:Another journalist just wondered when the last time a white American won the USA 200m title.
We went through the list and think it was Doris Dwyer (Duffy) who won the US 200m title in 1953.
http://www.usatf.org/statistics/USA-Champions/USAOutdoorTF/women/200m.aspxIf we're wrong let us know.
For women, this is probably true. For either men or women, it's Bobby Morrow in 1958.
Ben Vaughn, 1970.
I'm not going to argue that all of the black women on the sub-11 list are clean either: Ottey, Marion Jones, Fraser-Pryce, Sherone Simpson come to mind. But if you think Rupp was the only Duck to microdose testosterone, I think you need your head examined.[/quote]
Rupp is coached by Salazar, and it is Salazar's group who have been accused of 'doping'.
Not the Oregon track team
I got a question wrote:
questioner of things wrote:You definitely seem offended / annoyed.
Why is it that if someone questions an idea or statement and they must be offended?
No one has claimed that merely asking a question means one is offended.
In this instance however, it is clear that it is the case.
People of all political beliefs make ignorant statements.
I cannot trust you that you have had more real in person non anonymous conversations about race than I ever will. Once again an ignorant statement. How can you say that when you only know the facts about yourself. I can assure you that it has and always will be a big part of my life.
I would engage you in debate anytime but I am not willing to put my contact info on a message board.
I do however agree that racial stereotyping plays a big part in things but it does not tell the whole story.
coach d wrote:
Here's the rest of the story. This is the all-time list of caucasian women that have run sub-11:
10.77 +0.9 Irina PRIVALOVA 22 NOV 1968 RUS RUS 1 Lausanne 06 JUL 1994
10.77 +0.7 Ivet LALOVA 18 MAY 1984 BUL BUL 1 Plovdiv 19 JUN 2004
10.81 +1.7 Marlies GÖHR 21 MAR 1958 GDR GDR 1 Berlin 08 JUN 1983
10.82 -0.3 Zhanna BLOCK 6 JUL 1972 UKR UKR 1 Edmonton (Commonwealth Stadium) 06 AUG 2001
10.83 +1.7 Marita KOCH 18 FEB 1957 GDR GDR 2r1 Berlin 08 JUN 1983
10.83 +0.1 Ekateríni THÁNOU 1 FEB 1975 GRE GRE 2sf1 Sevilla (La Cartuja) 22 AUG 1999
10.85 +2.0 Anelia NUNEVA 30 JUN 1962 BUL BUL 1h1 Sofia 02 SEP 1988
10.86 +0.6 Silke GLADISCH-MÖLLER 20 JUN 1964 GDR GDR 1 Potsdam 20 AUG 1987
10.89 +1.8 Katrin KRABBE 22 NOV 1969 GDR GDR 1r2 Berlin 20 JUL 1988
10.91 +0.2 Heike DRECHSLER 16 DEC 1964 GDR GDR 2 Moskva 06 JUL 1986
10.92 +0.1 Yuliya NESTSIARENKA 15 JUN 1979 BLR BLR 1sf1 Athína (Olympic Stadium) 21 AUG 2004
10.93 +1.8 Ewa KASPRZYK 7 SEP 1957 POL POL 1 Grudziadz 27 JUN 1986
10.94 +1.8 Dafne SCHIPPERS 15 JUN 1992 NED NED 1 Hengelo 24 MAY 2015
10.96 +2.0 Galina MALCHUGINA 17 DEC 1962 EUN EUN 2 Moskva 22 JUN 1992
Something here is pretty obvious--almost everyone on the list is a known doper--maybe Schippers might be the only clean athlete on this list. Also, anyone else notice that all the pure sprinters at Oregon with amazing performances are female, like the East Germans? Steroids/testosterone have a greater effect on women.
I'm not going to argue that all of the black women on the sub-11 list are clean either: Ottey, Marion Jones, Fraser-Pryce, Sherone Simpson come to mind. But if you think Rupp was the only Duck to microdose testosterone, I think you need your head examined.
the only known doper on the this board is you.
unfortunately your drug of choice is NOT performance enhancing but some kind of hallucinogen
Speaking of hallucinogens, the Dead are on a farewell tour. Maybe you should join them; or maybe you should just do us all a favor and die a slow and agonizing death
LetsRun.com wrote:At NCAAs, the discussion was whether Prandini was the first white American sprinter under 11.00.
I'd just like to point out that she ran 10.92 (+1.4m/s) at Mt Sac this year