More proof Kenyans doesn't benefit from EPO doping

Lydiard is God wrote:

Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if cricketer Brendan McCullum had got some peptides/roids into him.

Oh come on, even Joe Root can hit a 6.

It's his ability to hit lots and lots in a row that makes him special. Not that he's mega powerful. Gayle, Pollard, Dhoni, Afridi all hit a much longer ball.

rekrunner wrote:

Although not exactly proof, it's another example that EPO did NOT provide the expected benefit.

She ran 2:26 in 2008.

She ran 2:28 in 2014.

That's two minutes slower.

Looks like, if anything, she, or her trainer/doctor was looking for a way to break into the top, and EPO did not provide the answer.

Using all along. EPO doesn't make every race the absolute best. It just raises the average level.

You're smarter than that.

rekrunner wrote:

Although not exactly proof, it's another example that EPO did NOT provide the expected benefit.

She ran 2:26 in 2008.

She ran 2:28 in 2014.

That's two minutes slower.

Looks like, if anything, she, or her trainer/doctor was looking for a way to break into the top, and EPO did not provide the answer.

You have no idea for how long she was using EPO. All you know is when she got caught.

I'm smart enough to know pure speculation when I see it.Maybe she was using all along. Maybe not.If 2:26 is her "juiced" time, then this isn't really a "top" Kenyan.I wonder, does Japan have blood testing?And maybe EPO benefits the marathon. Maybe not.

Gary Oldman wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Although not exactly proof, it's another example that EPO did NOT provide the expected benefit.

She ran 2:26 in 2008.

She ran 2:28 in 2014.

That's two minutes slower.

Looks like, if anything, she, or her trainer/doctor was looking for a way to break into the top, and EPO did not provide the answer.

Using all along. EPO doesn't make every race the absolute best. It just raises the average level.

You're smarter than that.

I still believe that 99% of Kenyans are honest, hard working people. Just like 99% of Americans are honest, hard working people.

The problem is that cheating is heavily rewarded. And with 10-15% performance benefit from EPO (as per Ferrari), cheating with EPO heavily pays off.

I promise there is not a single sub 2:07 guy in this world who is clean.

Only 1% of Americans are on Welfare?

How do we get beyond brown-tinged speculation?10-15% of 2:30 is 15-22 minutes.

Nutella1 wrote:

I still believe that 99% of Kenyans are honest, hard working people. Just like 99% of Americans are honest, hard working people.

The problem is that cheating is heavily rewarded. And with 10-15% performance benefit from EPO (as per Ferrari), cheating with EPO heavily pays off.

I promise there is not a single sub 2:07 guy in this world who is clean.

Nutella1 wrote:

I still believe that 99% of Kenyans are honest, hard working people. Just like 99% of Americans are honest, hard working people.

The problem is that cheating is heavily rewarded. And with 10-15% performance benefit from EPO (as per Ferrari), cheating with EPO heavily pays off.

I promise there is not a single sub 2:07 guy in this world who is clean.

You may have just stolen the "dumbest poster" crown from dial.

rekrunner wrote:

I'm smart enough to know pure speculation when I see it.

Maybe she was using all along. Maybe not.

If 2:26 is her "juiced" time, then this isn't really a "top" Kenyan.

I wonder, does Japan have blood testing?

And maybe EPO benefits the marathon. Maybe not.

Gary Oldman wrote:

Using all along. EPO doesn't make every race the absolute best. It just raises the average level.

You're smarter than that.

Pure speculation right there.

Pretty confident Belayneh Dinsamo wasn't using EPO back in 1988.

mo'pak wrote:

Pretty confident Belayneh Dinsamo wasn't using EPO back in 1988.

No,but plenty of steroids and blood doping going on at that point. At best it might represent where most EAs would be if clean.

nigel power wrote:

You may have just stolen the "dumbest poster" crown from dial.

Are you new here? Nutella1 already held that crown, with J.R. and Gary Oldman rounding out the top 3.

nullset wrote:

No,but plenty of steroids and blood doping going on at that point. At best it might represent where most EAs would be if clean.

Yup, only white people and Africans trained in the USA could run faster than that clean.

I love taking drugs, and drink EPO for breakfast.

It wouldn't surprise me if lots of them were on something. Wasn't it suspicious that the baseball players could hit record amounts of home runs (=sixes in cricket). They were able to do it game after game.

trollism wrote:

Lydiard is God wrote:

Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if cricketer Brendan McCullum had got some peptides/roids into him.

Oh come on, even Joe Root can hit a 6.

It's his ability to hit lots and lots in a row that makes him special. Not that he's mega powerful. Gayle, Pollard, Dhoni, Afridi all hit a much longer ball.

rekrunner wrote:

And maybe EPO benefits the marathon. Maybe not.

Right, just as putting an outboard motor in a rowboat might make it go faster. But maybe not.

Jesus Christ, to borrow from Wikipedia, this forum has issues.

Lucas Davenport wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

And maybe EPO benefits the marathon. Maybe not.

Right, just as putting an outboard motor in a rowboat might make it go faster. But maybe not.

Jesus Christ, to borrow from Wikipedia, this forum has issues.

Huh? I guess Wikipedia didn't have anything relevant or coherent for you to borrow?

What happens when you run out of gas before the race is finished?The main issue is a severe lack of examples.

Lucas Davenport wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

And maybe EPO benefits the marathon. Maybe not.

Right, just as putting an outboard motor in a rowboat might make it go faster. But maybe not.

Jesus Christ, to borrow from Wikipedia, this forum has issues.