The winner of the 2014 Cologne Marathon, Julia Mumbi Muraga, tested positive for EPO at the race. She won by more than seven minutes. She got a two-year rest from competition.
The winner of the 2014 Cologne Marathon, Julia Mumbi Muraga, tested positive for EPO at the race. She won by more than seven minutes. She got a two-year rest from competition.
How long has she been out of Japan? She was the Japanese HS champ in the 800 in 2002 and the 1500 way back in 2003. Ran her 2:26.00 marathon pb in 2008 in Osaka.
I know the OP is making fun of all the doping in Kenya but I honestly don't believe it exists in Japan. Not part of the culture.
OP's English blows, too. The subject has been beaten to death.
Kenyan elites is actual regression with EPO usage, she would 2:18 if she stays away from drug. I know this, I have seen with my own eyes how this is. Aerobic House becomes Anaerobic Shack with EPO Kenyan.
Renato Casanova wrote:
Kenyan elites is actual regression with EPO usage, she would 2:18 if she stays away from drug. I know this, I have seen with my own eyes how this is. Aerobic House becomes Anaerobic Shack with EPO Kenyan.
GOLD
I guess that I am not the only one who feels that this is a case of "another sacrificial lamb" ....
Although not exactly proof, it's another example that EPO did NOT provide the expected benefit.
She ran 2:26 in 2008.
She ran 2:28 in 2014.
That's two minutes slower.
Looks like, if anything, she, or her trainer/doctor was looking for a way to break into the top, and EPO did not provide the answer.
Interesting you say "feel" rather than "think". How does "sacrificial lamb" even make any sense?
prozac wrote:
I guess that I am not the only one who feels that this is a case of "another sacrificial lamb" ....
agreed. the 'anaerobic shack' made me lol.
hehes wrote:
Renato Casanova wrote:Kenyan elites is actual regression with EPO usage, she would 2:18 if she stays away from drug. I know this, I have seen with my own eyes how this is. Aerobic House becomes Anaerobic Shack with EPO Kenyan.
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rekrunner wrote:
Although not exactly proof, it's another example that EPO did NOT provide the expected benefit.
She ran 2:26 in 2008.
She ran 2:28 in 2014.
That's two minutes slower.
Looks like, if anything, she, or her trainer/doctor was looking for a way to break into the top, and EPO did not provide the answer.
Wrong, getting caught now just means you got caught now. It doesn't mean in past years you weren't also cheating just because you didn't get busted.
Like Marion Jones who was cheating way before she got caught, likely back all the way to high school.
Exactly which part do you think is wrong?
Look again at the subject line. It's not about "cheating" but about actually getting a "benefit" from "cheating". That's a much stronger claim.
To accept a claim that EPO provides a "benefit" requires two things:
1) There was a benefit
2) That EPO caused the benefit
All we have now is a positive test in 2014, when she produced a 2:28.
I find your argument bizarre. Suppose we accept, for the sake of argument, your pure faith proposal that she "cheated" in 2008 to produce her 2:26. Her 2014 bust is an example of EPO *NOT* producing a benefit.
"Dozens of Kenyan athletes have failed dope tests in the past two years."
Nice!
It's funny, seeing ALL of her marks in the marathon, does not make me jump to the conclusion that she just started doping. Of course, I am smarter than most.
Of course, if we believe everything the officials feed us, she ran ...
2002 9:04.27 Haruno 24 OCT (age 17)
2003 15:38.61 Aomori 24 AUG (age 18)
2004 15:17.19 Niigata 26 SEP (age 19)
2004 31:39.89 Yokohama 23 DEC (age 19)
This is not likely, unless she was faster than every western athlete in history for those distances at those ages. So she is probably 33-35 (which is why she is declining).
These are the marks that she has BELOW 2:30 ...
2:29:38 Julia Mombi KEN 25.01.85 5 Nagoya 11.03.2007
2:26:00 Julia Mombi KEN 25.01.85 3 Osaka 27.01.2008
2:29:10 Julia Mombi KEN 25.01.85 5 Paris 05.04.2009
2:28:59 Julia Mombi KEN 25.01.85 12 Berlin 23.08.2009
2:29:36 Julia Mombi KEN 25.01.85 1 Reims 16.10.2011
2:28:00 Julia Mombi KEN 25.01.85 1 Köln 14.09.2014
It looks to me like she would be a 2:32-36 runner without EPO and she has been using it all along and has just picked her recent marathons carefully in order to win.
But that is just me, I don't expect the African Apologists to feel the same.
9/10
... and surprise, SURPRISE she was born in January!!
Angry Willy wrote:
"Dozens of Kenyan athletes have failed dope tests in the past two years."
Nice!
And our white runners are running faster than they are. My God are our white runners the only people to have the right genetics and willing to work hard enough?
what is wrong with everyone? wrote:
Angry Willy wrote:"Dozens of Kenyan athletes have failed dope tests in the past two years."
Nice!
And our white runners are running faster than they are. My God are our white runners the only people to have the right genetics and willing to work hard enough?
YES!! Everyone knows that only whites (english speaking from the good ol' USofA) have real moral values. No one else does as they are second-rate people - just being truthful here. So it isn't really about genetics - white American people have that protestant ethic that provides the right mindset to do the work (genetics isn't important) required and will do so without cheating. Others are lazy and cheaters anyway - black africans for sure (Afrikanners are the exception). This is beyond dispute, so any attempt to contradict it is just hating for its own sake.
Mo cheats, as does Lagat, but Galen doesn't - it is as simple as that.
rope a dope wrote:
YES!! Everyone knows that only whites (english speaking from the good ol' USofA) have real moral values.
Don't forget Australians, New Zelanders and full-white Brits. They too, are incapable of cheating.
rope a dope wrote:
what is wrong with everyone? wrote:And our white runners are running faster than they are. My God are our white runners the only people to have the right genetics and willing to work hard enough?
YES!! Everyone knows that only whites (english speaking from the good ol' USofA) have real moral values. No one else does as they are second-rate people - just being truthful here. So it isn't really about genetics - white American people have that protestant ethic that provides the right mindset to do the work (genetics isn't important) required and will do so without cheating. Others are lazy and cheaters anyway - black africans for sure (Afrikanners are the exception). This is beyond dispute, so any attempt to contradict it is just hating for its own sake.
Mo cheats, as does Lagat, but Galen doesn't - it is as simple as that.
I don't think I've ever heard that sentiment on LRC. Nice try though.
She got caught on EPO. She cheated and got caught, plain and simple, like Rita Jiptoo.
The Kenyan federation itself expresses the fact that there is a major doping problem in Kenya.