Hall 9th at Bolder Boulder

george oscar bluth wrote:

Cmon dude wrote:

Was there really a 2 1/2 minute gap between 26th and 27th?

No - this was the results of the "elite field". There were citizens that would've fallen within that gap and other gaps starting around 31 minutes.

Let's keep this in perspective. We, the non elite, ran at 7 a.m.. It was 50 degrees. The elites ran at 11:30, when it was almost 75 degrees and humid. I would not have wanted to run in that heat.

By far his set effort in the last year. Im not so sure this translates to 2:12 marathon shape for Hall.

Hopefully we see him run some quality road races over the summer and develop his racing legs back. I hope he does not run a fall marathon and will focus on a fast half marathon for the fall.

He was close to Tilahun Regassa. Just goes to show that really good runners can run a race like this.

It is not indicative of too much but I think it is good to be out racing as trying to get back into shorter races.

Nice race for Quigley

Slomper wrote:

Some days you have it and some days you don't on that course? Are you kidding? I am a absolute total nobody in running and have run 31:18 on that course. I was not training hard at the time - just decided to do it.

For athletes that are or WERE solid runners those times are horrible.

"absolute total nobody in running", huh? 31:18, huh? "Not even training hard", huh?

Yeah, right.

Anyone got any predictions for what Hall will run at RnR San Diego? The new course is fast (someone went sub-59 there last year, I think) to the point of not even being quite record-eligible (for the half- the full is). Does anyone know if he'll have competition up front? Or will it just be a glorified tempo run?

Hall is to slow to keep up with the Kenyans, he may need to move up a distance to better suit his speed.....

Oh wait.

We already have a man dominating the ultras.

Hail Dean Karnazes

Really not so awful. He's not a great 10k guy and hasn't been for years. Tilahun Regassa (6th) debuted at Chicago '12 in 2:05:27 and only beat him by 13 seconds today. Regassa has also run 27:32 on the track. Juan Luis Barrios (4th) ran 61:47 at NYC Half recently (in his debut of the distance, if I'm not mistaken). I'm not familiar with half of the 8 in front of him, but he's got some good company up there.

Just FYI, Brent Vaughn, former Top NCAA runner, almost got beaten on time by a f'ing 16 year old HS sophomore in the citizen's race (32:06 Paul Roberts). Cabada did.

Paul Roberts is the man, but still. Wtf is wrong with Vaughn.

Oh, and don't forget Barrios's other recent run at Payton Jordan. He whooped Cam Levins, Kennedy Kithuka, and other pretty well-known names with that 27:34 win. I'm surprised at how dominant those top 3 no name guys were, but Hall really didn't have a bad race. He's certainly in sub-29 shape. Using Daniels, I convert this to sub-28:20 in mid-50s at sea level on a windless track when accounting for hills, altitude, and guessing 70 degrees during his race. Actually, a pretty good result after all.

bladerunner wrote:

george oscar bluth wrote:

No - this was the results of the "elite field". There were citizens that would've fallen within that gap and other gaps starting around 31 minutes.

Let's keep this in perspective. We, the non elite, ran at 7 a.m.. It was 50 degrees. The elites ran at 11:30, when it was almost 75 degrees and humid. I would not have wanted to run in that heat.

It was about 75, and was definitely a little breezy though nothing crazy; but not optimal conditions for running in.

The course doesn't have any brutal hills, but it isn't fast. It undulates the whole way and has a net elevation gain (again, nothing crazy but I think it's around 50 ft). The guy that ran the citizens race in 30:50 ran 14:30's on the road about a month and a half earlier on a very flat, fast road course at about 6500'

It's the altitude baby wrote:

adsfasdf wrote:

Crushed by third-tier Kenyans, makes sense. The real question is why Cabada and Vaughn were stinking it up today.

If you have ever raced at altitude and that course you'd know. Some days you have some you don't. And if you go too fast on the first mile or two the rest of the way is a struggle.

+1 That course is slow as shit

Don't forget that Hall raced this BolderBoulder race after he ran 2:04high at Boston Marathon in the tailwind year (2011) and still didn't even break 30mins. I cannot emphasize enough how slow this BolderBoulder 10K course can be. If it's not your day and/or you go out too fast, the effect is amplified because of the altitude. Good job to everyone today who raced this brutal course.

kodo wrote:

Estimate of conversion wrote:

28:45 is a decent sea level estimate for the altitude and course. Hall seems to be a 2:12 guy now. Not 2:04. But that's fine. Get healthy, race some and go from there.

Hall has never been a 2:04 guy. What are you even talking about?

That was the point you moron. You need to learn a little bit about nuance,

You idiot wrote:

That was the point you moron.

Ah, there's that nuance.

All this talk about what this means, etc... What's NOT being discussed is:

Why is this a Ryan Hall thread?

Since when is the 9th place finisher the biggest news in any race.

It seems as though the day of/day after news is usually 'Kenny B wins!' Sometimes everyone is excited about the first American ie 'Desi Second!'

I get it: this IS an American site; a German site praises their local heroes. However, these seem to be A) The First American in the race and B) high places, usually podium.

Sometimes an American actually WINS and the board explodes 'Ben MF True!!'

I get all this. But NOW we will be seeing: 'Billy Bob 23rd place in Turlock Turkey Trot' as the first, and apparently main thread about the race. Hey, I'm a bigger Ryan fan than most. He DOES have an AR. No US citizen, naturalized as an established pro or otherwise has run faster before or since. Not Rupp, not Ritz (he's been close) not Abdi, Meb, or a certain WR holder in the marathon. Hey, I'm a fan.

Nevertheless, this thread is like a Danica Patrick discussion. She, her sponsors, and her publicity team don't want you to realize: Someone actually WINS these races. Every Indy, F1, NASCAR, go-kart race, etc has a winner - and THAT is always bigger news than Danica, Ryan, or whoever scraped into 19th place in whatever competion you might want to look at. Especially when it wasn't even the first American.

Sorrytoeatandrun wrote:

So did Hall hold back the rest of the field so Quingley could take 7th?

I believe so

Seriously who cares what time a guy runs on his retirement tour?

bladerunner wrote:

Let's keep this in perspective. We, the non elite, ran at 7 a.m.. It was 50 degrees. The elites ran at 11:30, when it was almost 75 degrees and humid. I would not have wanted to run in that heat.

Are you out of your mind? It's never humid in Boulder.

Slomper wrote:

Some days you have it and some days you don't on that course? Are you kidding? I am a absolute total nobody in running and have run 31:18 on that course. I was not training hard at the time - just decided to do it.

For athletes that are or WERE solid runners those times are horrible.

And I ran 29 flat on that course - in trainers.