28 guys break 29:00 at Stanford - Edward Cheserek 28:51

John J. Collins wrote:

@ Post Blue: Congrats to that DIII Guy. But he is def. NOT the second guy to break 29 in DIII. Numerous studs have broken 29 in DIII

My Div. III college room mate Larry Hadley broke 29 way back in 1984 at Penn Relays and he was not the first, nor the second as I recall. He did not have the DIII record. 29:00 is a monster achievement for a D3 runner of course, but quite a few (way more than two) have done it. Too bad DIII records are hard to search on inter-web.

http://www.kpmariners.com/sports/mtrack/MTF_outdoor_Records

Cheers.

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps has a full compiled list of the top 10 times run in D3 history. Crain is the second to run sub-29 behind teammate Dan Mayer. Your roommate probably broke 30 which is a pretty good accomplishment, but not at all in the same league as breaking 29. Congrats to John Crain!

Trialswatcher wrote:

They did not even run the auto, which surely Cheserek can with a weight jacket on.

So the notion of "running the time" is inaccurate

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WHat are you talking about? There is no 'auto'.

They NCAA takes the top 48 in each region. Last year, 48th in the West region was 29:47. THey were 1 minute under that.

Did the NCAA change the rules since I stopped coaching?

John J. Collins wrote:

@ Post Blue: Congrats to that DIII Guy. But he is def. NOT the second guy to break 29 in DIII. Numerous studs have broken 29 in DIII

My Div. III college room mate Larry Hadley broke 29 way back in 1984 at Penn Relays and he was not the first, nor the second as I recall. He did not have the DIII record. 29:00 is a monster achievement for a D3 runner of course, but quite a few (way more than two) have done it. Too bad DIII records are hard to search on inter-web.

http://www.kpmariners.com/sports/mtrack/MTF_outdoor_Records

Cheers.

You are incorrect:

Post Blue wrote:

John Crain, 28:52.73, less than 4 seconds off the DIII national record and only the second runner in DIII history to break 29. Just awesome.

The DIII record was by another North Central guy.

dont remember wrote:

wtfunny wrote:

Right on, AK in the house!

That's not the guy who got lost outside overnight in the winter and ended up frostbit a couple years ago, is it?

Oh, heaven no .. that was Marko Cheseto, and he lost both his feet .. amputated from the knee down. That was tragic.

Trialswatcher wrote:

They did not even run the auto, which surely Cheserek can with a weight jacket on.

So the notion of "running the time" is inaccurate

Yeah, I know their times will hold up, I am just not sure what this really accomplished? I guess knowing that sub 29 flat will hold up...get it out of the way asap?

Does anyone know if they are coming to Penn Relays this year?

The "Auto"

is it 1997?

rojo wrote:

Oh brother is correct. This wasn't really a race for them.

People always ask me why track isn't more popular. One of the reasons is inherent. Basically, most races are practices for people.

Thus you are expecting fans to get excited to watch what is basically the equivalent of a pres-season football game.

Yes score is kept but the won/loss outcome is meaningless for the vast majority of people participating. The Oregon boys wanted to get in a nice workout, get used to 25 laps on the oval and get the regional qualifying time out of the way.

The did what was necessary to qualify for the regional 10k. An all-out 10k for college runners, even very good college runners, takes them a couple weeks to recover from. This can affect training and ability to compete in upcoming meets. Pro athletes might bounce back faster following a hard 10k effort, but these are 18 to 22 year olds.

It is a poor idea that every race must be an all out effort. Track and Field is all about saving your best for the championship meets, not setting records or wasting yourself in the first outdoor meet of the season.

I was there too. stinson was leading them, several times (10+) turning around to say something to them. looked extremely easy, even so close to his PR 10k time of 28:34.

if anyone cares, the leading pack hit 5k in 14:25-14:30

cheserek wasnt fooling around as much, but he surely wasnt struggling at all. he ran literally all 25 laps on the outside of lane one beside dunbar. so he ran much farther than 10k, for no reason.

dunbar had a PR i think, can't find any faster 10k results from him anywhere.

the 3 of them werent in the front pack at all after ~800m. they were leading a chase pack for most of the race, and only at around 8k did they start moving up a bit. they never kicked or anything, never tried to make big moves.

and while i'm here i gotta give a shoutout to Cal Poly's Chris Frias, who ran 28:45, previous PR of 29:33. he closed in 14:18, and his 5k PR is just 14:13.

A Duck wrote:... on rainy and cold night ...

Don't know what you're talking about, the rain was at most a light drizzle and the temperature was more or less perfect for running ten kilometers

I'm going to suggest that the poster either remembered sub 30s, not sub 29s, or remembered sub 29 6M races. My div 3 school still has coach's school record for 6M (just over 29, I think) listed on its records list.

someone else had posted there was an auto..as soon as I posted what I did I realized my error..sorry about that, there is no delete function on here

Head coach Robert Johnson said the goal for the Ducks is to have all three runners challenge the NCAA “A” standard of 28 minutes, 45 seconds:

“We want it to be as easy an effort as possible. The goal there is to run the standard, not run a really fast time, not really try and set anything on fire, just get the standard and be over and done with it and don’t have to worry about it anymore.” -

http://fansided.com/2014/04/03/edward-cheserek-make-2014-outdoor-debut-stanford-invitational/

Why was Johnson talking about an "A" standard?

Post Blue wrote:

John Crain, 28:52.73, less than 4 seconds off the DIII national record and only the second runner in DIII history to break 29. Just awesome.

Yeah I'd say this is the biggest news from an otherwise ordinary early season meet. Congrats to Crain! A really excellent time, given it's pretty rare DIII runners break 29:30 let alone 29:00. The IAAF scoring table gives that time 1053 points, the same as 13:44.32 for the 5000. I really hope Crain gets an opportunity to go for that record, which is slightly soft at 13:50 by Dan Henderson from 1978.

Post Blue wrote:

John Crain, 28:52.73, less than 4 seconds off the DIII national record and only the second runner in DIII history to break 29. Just awesome.

Yeah I'd say this is the biggest news from an otherwise ordinary early season meet. Congrats to Crain! A really excellent time, given it's pretty rare DIII runners break 29:30 let alone 29:00. The IAAF scoring table gives that time 1053 points, the same as 13:44.32 for the 5000. I really hope Crain gets an opportunity to go for that record, which is slightly soft at 13:50 by Dan Henderson from 1978.

'The Oregon boys wanted to get in a nice workout, get used to 25 laps on the oval and get the regional qualifying time out of the way.'

I think you have forgotten how hard it is to run such times even 30 secs down on 10km time is not really much easier. How much are they off their best, those times look pretty impressive to me are they really that far from being all out? If they are coasting its madness the Kenyans always say never waste good running you never know if you will be as fit again. Why save yourself when there is plenty of time to recover

One more thing that really bugs me why do American's call college/university school? Its not even officially called that in America so why? eg Stamford has both a university and a school - it seems pretty silly to call both 'school'

John J. Collins wrote:

@ Post Blue: Congrats to that DIII Guy. But he is def. NOT the second guy to break 29 in DIII. Numerous studs have broken 29 in DIII

My Div. III college room mate Larry Hadley broke 29 way back in 1984 at Penn Relays and he was not the first, nor the second as I recall. He did not have the DIII record. 29:00 is a monster achievement for a D3 runner of course, but quite a few (way more than two) have done it. Too bad DIII records are hard to search on inter-web.

http://www.kpmariners.com/sports/mtrack/MTF_outdoor_Records

Cheers.

On the link you provided it says Hadley's time was 29:58, that is not even close to breaking 29:00.

Without looking it up I will tell you I am 99% sure the DIII record is 28:51 or thereabouts, held by Dan Mayer from North Central.

I would hope the 28 guys are breaking 29. What else would you expect?

reed wrote:

I was there too. stinson was leading them, several times (10+) turning around to say something to them. looked extremely easy, even so close to his PR 10k time of 28:34.

if anyone cares, the leading pack hit 5k in 14:25-14:30

and while i'm here i gotta give a shoutout to Cal Poly's Chris Frias, who ran 28:45, previous PR of 29:33. he closed in 14:18, and his 5k PR is just 14:13.

Props to Frias! That broke the school record

MeSoHorny wrote:

reed wrote:

I was there too. stinson was leading them, several times (10+) turning around to say something to them. looked extremely easy, even so close to his PR 10k time of 28:34.

if anyone cares, the leading pack hit 5k in 14:25-14:30

and while i'm here i gotta give a shoutout to Cal Poly's Chris Frias, who ran 28:45, previous PR of 29:33. he closed in 14:18, and his 5k PR is just 14:13.

Props to Frias! That broke the school record

Again, it's a university why call it school?