Either way, as I'm currently too little informed to really pick a side, and since I both occasionally agree and disagree with you and A Duck as posters, I just think it would be an entertaining exchange.
And of course what information did get sorted out would be informative and thoroughly interesting to the rest of us.
A Duck wrote:
Every time one of these threads gets started, people post your drug admissions, that you are George Malley, and that you are a moderator.
And more and more people know your lies fueled the Salazar bashing here, and more and more dis-respect your deleting your trail and hiding.
You didn't get it all in time though, cos internetarchive.org has it forever...
You'll be forever known here as a liar and a drug cheat and poster to poster to poster to poster will always pass it along...no matter how many times you delete it.
It's like the Persian army, every time it comes up, more posters share the links outing you.
A Duck, one day you'll have to answer for all your drivel and bs that you spew on this board. You threatening litigation smacks of your savior's pal Lance Armstrong when anyone would question him. Salazar was a doper and you know that. He has coached dopers like Slaney and Farah and Rupp and one day you'll eat your words. It's funny, you love to call out Malmo under your veil of anonymity. Since you're so squeaky clean then why don't you reveal who you are? You won't because you're a spineless prick.
Hey, Duck - I actually bothered to both report this post and e-mail the BroJos about it directly 'cause you've worn me out on this subject.
We all know Malmo's actual name, we all know his times, we all know what he has to say about his PED use.
I find a lot of your posts interesting, but unfortunately I also find a lot of them offensive. In particular, I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop using the term "salad tosser". Call me naive, but I wasn't even aware of this particular epithet until you started using it. Please stop using it - it has no place in any kind of adult conversation.
On the Malmo front, there is an interesting conversation to be had on these boards about PEDs, Athletics West and distance running in the US in the 70s & 80s, but if you really want to participate in that conversation, I think you should identify yourself and lay out your version of events in meaningful detail.
I'm just some nobody slow middle-aged guy living in Manhattan, but for what it's worth I'll sign my actual name [and my screen name has always been very transparent for anyone who wanted to bother figuring out who I am].
David Kornacker
Wow. I have argued with malmo here before but he is 100% badass in that long response to A Douche. Hilarious: A Duck says "you can't hide," then malmo does the opposite, owning the Douche and driving him into hiding. Cat got your tougue, duckie?
Gee, I wonder if Duck and Salazar will take malmo up on his offer? Pfft.
Stupid move of Duck to awaken the bear here. He doesn't seem to get that his idols have more to lose here than malmo possibly could.
dkny64 wrote:
Hey, Duck - I actually bothered to both report this post and e-mail the BroJos about it directly 'cause you've worn me out on this subject.
Big brother hard at work.
Malmo-- good to see you back here.
I think most of the real runners here appreciate your forthrightness, honesty, and common sense. I certainly do.
Here's the old thread from the archives.
Be sure to bookmark it as this thread will be gone.
Say what you want about Malmo being abrasive or whatever but him and Canova and dudes like that have balls enough to come on here and get bashed and they still keep coming back. Lets run is so full of jerks that no one appreciates what they have. It would be like being in a basketball board and having Andrew Toney and Billy Cummingham come here and everyone just give them sh*t. Really. People here actually argue with Canova about who they think he's coached and try and question Malmos integrity when he admitted that he did something. He could be completely anonymous and never admit to doping but he did. I assume not to make himself to look better but to illustrate the pitfalls and stupidity of it. Like damn. I wish more runners past and present would come on here but when everyone acts like a prick its kinda hard to get them to do it. We have A Duck here who is an obvoius Oregon shill going crazy about Malmo. An anonymous person calling out someone who is willing to identify themselves. It's pathetic. Malmo will also always be co because I think he's the only other poster here who likes Rudy Ray Moore.
I've been trying to avoid even mentioning anything about A Duck for months, but Malmo man, that was beautiful.
While Malmo can be a prickly, he's a good guy. Say what you want, but he's one of the few here who has really put some personal stuff out in the open to be discussed here and that takes stones.
I'm anxiously awaiting your response A Duck. Your credibility here is at stake, are you going to do anything about it?
Hadn't seen Malmo's responses when I wrote my post + my e-mail to the BroJos. If there's a real dialog to be had here, great; was only wanting the thread to come down when it seemed like it was going to be [yet another] example of Ducky ranting behind a screen of anonymity.
btw, I'm not saying I take malmo's version of events as gospel truth, but I do appreciate him giving a version of events over his actual name. If people want to argue against malmo's story, hey, have at it.
malmo wrote: A Duck has a history of going on spam posting episodes (I am not kidding, hundreds of posts at a time during those episodes) about this topic, which he doesn't understand any of the facts nor the timelines involved.
A Duck has admitted to reporting more than 10,000 LRC posts he/she finds "objectionable". I agree, A Duck is nothing but a spammer. A Duck doesn't care about facts. He/She only cares about getting their jollies off posting on LRC.
Whether the people arguing against George believe him or not is moot. He knows what happened. You don't. You may think you do, may wish you did, may even have others who think you know. But you don't. A plethora of posters here seem to think that 'opinion = knowledge = truth.' George's posts include his identification on every one. There's no hiding behind an unidentifiable alias. Creedence is lost, or at least compromised, by nameless posts. George tells the truth. Choose to believe it or not. Your beliefs won't change what's true.
It reminds me of one time, years ago, when, in a post about Douglass Rono, somebody mentioned that he was Paul Tergat's brother. I told the poster that, no, he wasn't. Then the 'know nothings' rained down. "I was told by so and so...," "I read that...," "I know a guy who has a friend who knows." The only constant was that none of them knew anything. Oh, they thought they knew, but the kicker was that... when I said that I had asked Tergat and he told me no... They continued to argue!!! To paraphrase an old Nike ad (Sorry George)... Malmo Knows!
dkny64 wrote:
I find a lot of your posts interesting, but unfortunately I also find a lot of them offensive. In particular, I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop using the term "salad tosser". Call me naive, but I wasn't even aware of this particular epithet until you started using it. Please stop using it
Seconded.
I'd say it's just pathetic, like a kid yelling names when he has no argument, but it is a known homophobic slur and toxic to see here every time this guy has nothing useful to say.
Hey Malmo,
Good to see you still posting occasionally. I haven't seen enough of your posts recently.
Intelligent fellow. Well informed. Great insults (more than once directed at me - no worries, I find them entertaining).
Hope to see more of your posts on various topics in the future.
A Duck wrote:
It's like the Persian army, every time it comes up, more posters share the links outing you.
Seriously A Duck? What's the point? Take a hiatus from these boards, and do a little self-reflection.
malmo wrote:
The Single Voice of Reason wrote:I would love to be witness the this hissy fit, should it happen in any real way. And all the information it would uncover, true or untrue, from either side? That could be interesting.
Have at it, guys. Very entertaining.
An email distribution conversation wouldn't be a hissy fit. Nike's attorneys could be invited as well. At least all of the big players could be brought together and sort this sh1t out once and for all.
Malmo - in the context of the ongoing argument between you and A Duck, one thing that bothers me at a very basic level is that I know who you are and I don't know who Mr Duck is.
Normally I'm all for letting internet posters who want to be anonymous stay anonymous, but under these circumstances, I'm tired of Duck's anonymity.
So, my request - if you know who Duck is, please reveal his identity. And if you don't know who Duck is, please let us know that as well. Thanks.
David Kornacker
Great reply malmo. A Duck is continuing being the moron everyone in here knows he is. I do wonder though:"and have a discussion, and once and for all sort out all of the facts (or "lies" if you wish) regarding the AW/UO/Eugene running and drugs scene? "Is there any point in keeping this away from the boards? Why not lay it all out there...
malmo wrote:
Uh, A Duck I was trying to respond to your obsessive and crazy ramblings when your thread and many sockpupperts disappeared. Here's what I had written. I'll expect to hear from you and Alberto tomorrow.
Actually. It was a half full bottle. Many of the elite runners who've passed through Eugene over the decades have seen it.
A Duck, since you proclaim to be so close to Alberto, why don't you give him a call and ask him about the long discussion I had with him about Dr Smulovitz and Alberto's BMW. Please call him, and ask him how that conversation went? Thank you. Maybe I should just renege a good faith agreement with Alberto and just reveal everything I know. After all, you're Alberto's spokesman aren't you? I really don't like going back on my word, but since it's OK with you, and for the betterment of the sport, maybe I should?
You are so obsessed with me, and so protective of anything Oregon or Nike, that you cannot see the truth, which has be thoroughly vetted by those who were around during the day, and so convinced that I am the directorate of some massive conspiracy that's you've wasted thousands of hours with your episodic posts.
Why don't you call your close friend Alberto and conference me into the conversation so that we call talk. You do have his personal phone number don't you? He has mine.... or, since that's something you can't do, you can email me and I can give you a complete list of facts, or in your crazy double talk "lies" if that's what you really want to call them. Or since none of the above will be acceptable, maybe we could just start an email roundtable including everyone who actually knows what was going in the day (Alberto, Phil, Dick Brown, Bob Sevene, Stewert Togher etc... and few curious reporters from SI, BBC and WSJ etc), and have a discussion, and once and for all sort out all of the facts (or "lies" if you wish) regarding the AW/UO/Eugene running and drugs scene? Surely if we can get a distribution email list of 30-40 choice people to participate we can sort this all out?
My email is [first name/last name]@verizon.net send me your email and I'll include you in the conversation.
A little bit busy right now, but tomorrow I think that I'll fill in some of the blanks about facts and timelines that you don't understand. Information that was collected and given to various reporters over the years and also to the head IAAF attorney in 1997. Or maybe I should give a complete list of names of people and what they know and what questions to ask which people.
Of course, you're a crazy man, and any facts that don't agree with a lunatic are lies. I get it.
For those who watched the recent Mary Slaney/Zola Budd documentary, it was Dick Brown who was in the cart with Slaney as she got carted out of the stadium at LA 1984. Brown, who appeared in that Ben Jonson documentary, was the architect of the Athletics West drug program laughably saying, "we were only giving out information." He was also Mary'smcoach for awhile.
Yeah, I think that tomorrow I'll try to fill in some of the blanks. Give Alberto a call, A Duck. I'll be waiting for that conference call.
malmo wrote:
Uh, A Duck I was trying to respond to your obsessive and crazy ramblings when your thread and many sockpupperts disappeared. Here's what I had written. I'll expect to hear from you and Alberto tomorrow.
A Duck wrote:He kept that full last prescription all those years...
Actually. It was a half full bottle. Many of the elite runners who've passed through Eugene over the decades have seen it.
A Duck, since you proclaim to be so close to Alberto, why don't you give him a call and ask him about the long discussion I had with him about Dr Smulovitz and Alberto's BMW. Please call him, and ask him how that conversation went? Thank you. Maybe I should just renege a good faith agreement with Alberto and just reveal everything I know. After all, you're Alberto's spokesman aren't you? I really don't like going back on my word, but since it's OK with you, and for the betterment of the sport, maybe I should?
You are so obsessed with me, and so protective of anything Oregon or Nike, that you cannot see the truth, which has be thoroughly vetted by those who were around during the day, and so convinced that I am the directorate of some massive conspiracy that's you've wasted thousands of hours with your episodic posts.
Why don't you call your close friend Alberto and conference me into the conversation so that we call talk. You do have his personal phone number don't you? He has mine.... or, since that's something you can't do, you can email me and I can give you a complete list of facts, or in your crazy double talk "lies" if that's what you really want to call them. Or since none of the above will be acceptable, maybe we could just start an email roundtable including everyone who actually knows what was going in the day (Alberto, Phil, Dick Brown, Bob Sevene, Stewert Togher etc... and few curious reporters from SI, BBC and WSJ etc), and have a discussion, and once and for all sort out all of the facts (or "lies" if you wish) regarding the AW/UO/Eugene running and drugs scene? Surely if we can get a distribution email list of 30-40 choice people to participate we can sort this all out?
My email is [first name/last name]@verizon.net send me your email and I'll include you in the conversation.
A little bit busy right now, but tomorrow I think that I'll fill in some of the blanks about facts and timelines that you don't understand. Information that was collected and given to various reporters over the years and also to the head IAAF attorney in 1997. Or maybe I should give a complete list of names of people and what they know and what questions to ask which people.
Of course, you're a crazy man, and any facts that don't agree with a lunatic are lies. I get it.
For those who watched the recent Mary Slaney/Zola Budd documentary, it was Dick Brown who was in the cart with Slaney as she got carted out of the stadium at LA 1984. Brown, who appeared in that Ben Jonson documentary, was the architect of the Athletics West drug program laughably saying, "we were only giving out information." He was also Mary'smcoach for awhile.
Yeah, I think that tomorrow I'll try to fill in some of the blanks. Give Alberto a call, A Duck. I'll be waiting for that conference call.
Don't worry folks, I've just been busy, I'll be back with a reply...
malmo wrote:
There's no reason to smear Alberto. I've talked to him a few times, and emailed him many times. I do worry about the TUEs, though.
Malmo, I have had no problem w/A Duck up to this point; he's certainly not doing Salazar any favors... "thou who doth protest too much" and all that. However, what is your concern about the TUEs? I've read the literature, and the science seems ambiguous. Certainly, sub-physiologic "micro-dosing" might have an impact, but I would think that if one weren't truly hypothyroid, which could be certainly caused by excessive sympathetic overdrive, the medication wouldn't work and could actually backfire.
There are many ways to cheat... heck, one could merely find a supplier of specific animal organs (like bison, a very aerobic animal), grind them up and centrifuge the lysate to put in emu oil, which, once rubbed on the skin, could potentially activate a complex cell-signaling effect via the G-coupling receptors. How in the heck would you test for that?
I'd like to think NOP is clean, that the "gimmicks" such as the altitude house, underwater treadmill, and attention to detail, including injury prevention and pre-emption is "the advantage." I hope so. I mean, does Ritz have a TUE? I didn't think he did, and while not a world contender, he's one helluva runner.
Maybe I am getting jaded since UO football merely got a slap on the wrist compared to some other big-time programs because they "cooperated." Or did they have political pull because of Nike? I hope not, but what a joke. Still, I am trying to remain objective. I want to believe in Ritz, if nobody else.
Wait, TUE medication can backfire? Hmmmmmm...who has a TUE and is not running up to expectations...Can anyone help me here?
Malmo, I have had no problem w/A Duck up to this point; he's certainly not doing Salazar any favors... "thou who doth protest too much" and all that. However, what is your concern about the TUEs? I've read the literature, and the science seems ambiguous. Certainly, sub-physiologic "micro-dosing" might have an impact, but I would think that if one weren't truly hypothyroid, which could be certainly caused by excessive sympathetic overdrive, the medication wouldn't work and could actually backfire.