No one is disputing what Rowbury said. Its one thing to tweet about a runner, its another to @ them with criticism.
On the rare occasion he says something positive (and true), he won't do it then.
After a hard race, she will have looked on her phone to see coaching tips from some dirtbag who has no where near the race experience she has. She can do it however she wants.
I think some of you are getting way too excited over this. It was just a tweet and opinion
dkdk wrote:
I think some of you are getting way too excited over this. It was just a tweet and opinion
Exactly. In other sports this happens literally a thousand times by thousands of journalists.
But because it's amateur hour in T&F everyone gets butt hurt.
Do I agree with Liao's comment? Hell no, but if our professional athletes (and I said that very loosely) want to be treated like professional athletes they need to live with the fact that journalists have opinions.
Examples like this show just how miniscule and irrelevant our sport is.
In the major sports, the media rips athletes. In track and field, athletes rip the media.
TLW wrote:
Exactly. In other sports this happens literally a thousand times by thousands of journalists.
But because it's amateur hour in T&F everyone gets butt hurt.
Do I agree with Liao's comment? Hell no, but if our professional athletes (and I said that very loosely) want to be treated like professional athletes they need to live with the fact that journalists have opinions.
Examples like this show just how miniscule and irrelevant our sport is.
Except Kevin Liao isn't a real journalist. He never was a real journalist. The only thing that separates Kevin Liao from the rest of us is that he bought a flotrack pro account. He's nothing but a parents' "basement dweller" with empty feelings inside that force him to seek attention. Oh and he has a skype account.
fwiw wrote:
TLW wrote:
Exactly. In other sports this happens literally a thousand times by thousands of journalists.
But because it's amateur hour in T&F everyone gets butt hurt.
Do I agree with Liao's comment? Hell no, but if our professional athletes (and I said that very loosely) want to be treated like professional athletes they need to live with the fact that journalists have opinions.
Examples like this show just how miniscule and irrelevant our sport is.
Except Kevin Liao isn't a real journalist. He never was a real journalist. The only thing that separates Kevin Liao from the rest of us is that he bought a flotrack pro account. He's nothing but a parents' "basement dweller" with empty feelings inside that force him to seek attention. Oh and he has a skype account.
And this is the point exactly. How many "real" US journalists were in Moscow to cover the event? How many covered it remotely? You can count the total on the fingers of your hands. In their place will go others.
fwiw wrote:
Except Kevin Liao isn't a real journalist. He never was a real journalist. The only thing that separates Kevin Liao from the rest of us is that he bought a flotrack pro account. He's nothing but a parents' "basement dweller" with empty feelings inside that force him to seek attention. Oh and he has a skype account.
So what do you define as a real journalist? Do you have to work for a newspaper or something?
This is 2013, not 1950.
Kevin Liao started a business that publishes coverage on a sport.
Don't agree? This is exactly how Flotrack started years ago.
When you have, what 10 elites commenting on your tweets, you've made it as a journalist in track IMHO.
The best thing these idiot elites could have done would be to totally ignore Liao.
Instead they just validated his whole business by acknowledging that his opinions are worthy enough of a response and discussion.
yzesxdtry wrote:
Pro runners like to talk about how they want the sport to grow and become more popular. It seems they really don't. How could these people handle being athletes in a truly popular sport(and all the terrible trash talking and peanut gallery criticism that comes with it) if they get so offended over a tweet that really amounts to "I think she could have run better".
Kim Smith: "you have absolutely no clue how hard it is"
Nic Bideau: "not as easy as it looks Kevin"
Alistair Cragg: "Kevin have you ever doubled at a World level!"
Shannon Rowbury: "Appreciate that you're a fan and that you wanted more for Team USA, but please respect our effort."
There were some legitimate counters to his criticism like Kevin Sullivan arguing that there was no early move. That's a valid point. "You can't criticize us because you've never run this fast" is not valid. If this sport is really going to get to the next level we need to grow up from this jock sniffing stage.
I kind of agree with you. A friend of mine mildly as mild could be criticized Symmonds in a tweet last year, it was like a two words criticism -- and Symmonds blocked him! For all Symmonds tough talk and posturing, that was a pretty lame p*ssy move. I was a 100% fan until I heard that, and then I went to about 80% fan. I follow the NFL too, and the NFL players take much stronger criticism and roll with it. There are some cool NFL players out there. They get it. They just ignore it.
Maybe the issue with Kevin's tweet was that it wasn't more informed. But on the other had Shannon said she mentally failed to go with the move, that she told her self to go with the move and then didn't. That is choosing to fail; choosing not to risk the pain.
By and large it is nice that those athletes engaged and by in large they handled it well. Symmonds, probably couldn't have handled it.
As runners, we've all been there, we admit it to ourselves, and try not to make it a habit.
The guy is pathetic and will always be a nobody. Nothing to see here.
I heart trolls wrote:
I didn't realize A Duck was such a homophobe. How long has he been fighting these urges? And I'm sure Kevin Laio will turn his attention to Alysia Montano's stupid racing tactics next, just like A Duck did.
TLW wrote:This scenario is an example of why our sport will never be mainstream.
1. You are under educated if you don't know what that term means, it is not orientation specific. Enjoy your salad.
2. Imagine if Montano had won two OG's and two WC's golds, She has the 400 speed and the talent to do that. She's been at this 9 FREAKING YEARS with her coach, and not a single person on this board was surprised by exactly how she ran, and exactly the result. THAT race will not be the poster child for any idiot athlete full of the hubris to think they can do that unless they are a once in a generation talent like Rudisha who proves he can do it and then keeps doing it (on the international level).
Her not learning to run a variety of tactics, to be empowered with varied tool kit, has cost her perhaps a million dollars in prize winnings.
It would be one thing if we'd never seen this before in an athlete.
Johnny Gray mostly did this.
Hazel-Clark
KD Robinson mostly did this until after 08 (way too late in his career to max his earnings / caught a clue too late.)
Duane Solomon mostly does this...and loses.
It is not like there were/are not enough blueprints out there to show you you can't be this kind of one trick pony and expect to win.
Montano and her coach have cost her at least half a million over the years, if not more.
DUMB.
She ran like a high schooler, and the just post high schooler ran smarter than she did.
homerTime wrote:
No one is disputing what Rowbury said. Its one thing to tweet about a runner, its another to @ them with criticism.
On the rare occasion he says something positive (and true), he won't do it then.
After a hard race, she will have looked on her phone to see coaching tips from some dirtbag who has no where near the race experience she has. She can do it however she wants.
The thing is, before this tweet, Rowbury outed that she did mentally veto herself and not go with the late move that could have given her a podium shot -- in her case she opened herself up for some criticism.
We live in a new world, with social media, and the door swings both ways so the athletes have to expect some of this.
jsquire wrote:
fwiw wrote:TLW wrote:
Exactly. In other sports this happens literally a thousand times by thousands of journalists.
But because it's amateur hour in T&F everyone gets butt hurt.
Do I agree with Liao's comment? Hell no, but if our professional athletes (and I said that very loosely) want to be treated like professional athletes they need to live with the fact that journalists have opinions.
Examples like this show just how miniscule and irrelevant our sport is.
Except Kevin Liao isn't a real journalist. He never was a real journalist. The only thing that separates Kevin Liao from the rest of us is that he bought a flotrack pro account. He's nothing but a parents' "basement dweller" with empty feelings inside that force him to seek attention. Oh and he has a skype account.
And this is the point exactly. How many "real" US journalists were in Moscow to cover the event? How many covered it remotely? You can count the total on the fingers of your hands. In their place will go others.
There are only two "full time" track and field reporters left in the nation, correct?
george oscar bluth wrote:
The guy is pathetic and will always be a nobody. Nothing to see here.
The elite runners just made him a somebody. A running journalist/commentator whose opinion is worthy enough to respond too.
A bunch of Elite runners/Olympians sitting in Moscow, Russia at the 2nd most prestigious meet in our sport felt the need to take the time to respond to him.
Congrats Kevin. You've made it. I hope you continue to provide coverage to the sport of running.
george oscar bluth wrote:
The guy is pathetic and will always be a nobody. Nothing to see here.
TLW wrote:
The elite runners just made him a somebody. A running journalist/commentator whose opinion is worthy enough to respond too.
A bunch of Elite runners/Olympians sitting in Moscow, Russia at the 2nd most prestigious meet in our sport felt the need to take the time to respond to him.
Congrats Kevin. You've made it. I hope you continue to provide coverage to the sport of running.
oh hai, Kevin.
#runreckless #stembercomeback #mcdougal
I am definitely not Kevin.
I also posted that I disagree with his views on the women's 5k.
There's plenty of unprofessional stuff coming from other sports's athletes as well. Only difference is that 90% of the time those Twitter accounts are run by a PR firm.
Track & Field athletes need to grow some balls plain and simple
its just one guys opinion regardless of whether you agree with it or not
can you fathom how much WAY worse sh*t athletes like Mark Sanchez encounter on a daily basis?
A Duck wrote:
--You are the definition of "amateur hour," except at salad tossing where you are an elite pro.
You seem to have an obsession with this practice. Why is that?
And do you think it's good for the sport to attack fans for expressing a mild opinion other than cheerleading like you?
You homophobic sack of garbage.
TLW wrote:
In other sports this happens literally a thousand times by thousands of journalists.
But because it's amateur hour in T&F everyone gets butt hurt.
Do I agree with Liao's comment? Hell no, but if our professional athletes (and I said that very loosely) want to be treated like professional athletes they need to live with the fact that journalists have opinions.
Examples like this show just how miniscule and irrelevant our sport is.
This ^
Funny to see that homophobe A Duck actually agreeing with me without getting it.
A Douche, of course I know you can toss a woman's salad. I toss your daughter's nightly and she loves it.
But you have made many other derogatory remarks about homosexual practices (eg Grindr) that show you are both well acquainted with and resentful of gay men. It must be so hard to be you, old man.
I am pretty sure he is from San Jose and went to Evergreen Valley High some years back. He was a decent runner, maybe 9:45 in the 3200. Not sure where he went after hs. I remember him posting like a reporter from the 2008 Olympics on the old dyestatcal site. It seems his interest in reporting track and field has been in the making since he was young. Of course maybe it's a different Kevin that I'm thinking of.