Christine Clark in the basement....OK....DEENA TRAINING IN SWEATPANTS?

what do have to say now wrote:

be quite.

Be quite WHAT?

John Treacy was also very "fond" of training overdressed and ran very well in '84.The Japanese always have at least 3 layer on during easy runs.

"Akmed training"(I once saw a picture of Akmed Salah training in Dijbouti in full sweats) seems to work but it's hard on the system.....constantly trying to re-hydrate. It also forces you to "jog" more.

Seems to work, out running in 80 degrees, just in shorts, mid day in Lanzarote 98, passed by Abel Anton, (double gold world champs, marathon, Athens, 97, sevilla 99)tights and sweatshirt hardly sweating, then he ran session on track awesome. He always seemed to wear extra clothing even when not training.

shady wrote:The Japanese always have at least 3 layer on during easy runs.

True. I used to see the S&B women's team training in Mito in full sweats during July and Aug., when the heat and humidity are horrible in Japan. They always seemed to be jogging at about 10 min mile pace too.

Dogscalder = Andrew Lilly = Loser

You come on this message board and pretend to be some expert coach. You criticize everyone and everything you can and provide no valuable insight. You are a club coach, who tries everything he can to get a College job, but the coaches out there know you are a loud mouth so they throw your resume in the trash when it comes across their desk. Words of advice. Shut your mouth and pay your dues. Maybe then a door will open for you.

good luck this XC season, coach

roll wave

this is a really interesting thread...it's something I haven't ever heard people talk about, in terms of training, and now it seems that a lot of people do it. any other anecdotes out there? i had always wondered why african athletes dressed in more clothing despite hot weather and i assumed it was to help with warmups. as much time as we spend thinking about what these folks are doing, i think this has been a pretty valuable thread and any time B. Durden responds, it's going to be good.

So these are just easy runs that you guys have done or heard of people doing, because Deena mentioned doing it for 20-milers. It just seems pretty foreign -- has anyone done this?

what's your deal #2?? you obviously have a personal beef. did lilly beat you in a beer run or something?? i think he's a class act and a great coach. much better and supportive than most of the fools out there pretending to be "real coaches".

I just read the drivel from DS2...what is your problem, man? I have made application to 3 different schools (all in New Orleans) that I felt I could be an asset to. The AD's or head coaches obviously felt differently. It's not a big deal. I have fun doing this stuff and am certainly no expert, but I have more experience and have had better results than the people who are in place now. It's no way to make money, it sounded like fun, but I'll keep on helping people. That's why I like to read these boards.

How's this for paying dues. I write and oversee workouts for 35-70 folks every Tuesday at City Park practice track. This is for free. I have done this since the summer of 2000. Never a dime. All abilities, from 28 min 5k folks to the fastest road runners in the city. Most of these people are just trying to get an "edge" on age group competitors and it's likely that speedwork isn't even appropriate for them in their training, but it really makes them feel better to go to the line knowing that they go to an organized session 1x a week. Or, how about my involvement with the reorganized Mardi Gras Marathon...the kids race, which raises funds for NORD (New Orleans Recreation Department) and inner-city playground (Project Playground). How about the fact that when others dropped the ball on summer races in Audubon Park, I made sure they didn't die...now offering, for the same price as the old Hump Day races, beer, pizza, great giveaways, and tshirts.

There are a lot of things you don't know about me, man, and it appears that some of the things that you assume are pretty far off. I learned from a great guy named Jim McLatchie, the first time I ever met him, that you're not going to get rich doing this...if you can help someone, go ahead. Sorry if I appear overly-enthusiastic about learning. If you can help me, Dogscalder2, please contact me, either publicly by lambasting me on these boards like a true professional would, or email me. I would love to learn from you about how to positively contribute to the sport and I'd also like pointers on "paying my dues."

p.s. haven't beaten too many folks in beer runs, before that becomes an issue...but i will be back!!!

Why are people so married to using completely anonymous screen names? I have used the same name for a long, long time. I wish I knew who 2.18 was. I like hearing stories about New Orleans runners and he seems to know a lot about them. Seems interesting.

Drewp, is that Mito-shi, Ibaraki.........running around Semba Ko perhaps.....when were you there?

done lashing out, Mike?

There ar e even pictures of El G training in full sweats, it was cold but he wore gloves and sweatpants and a heavy sweatshirt for an hours run, he didn't seem to sweat so maybe it helped.

No thats not me being the mad dog with rabies. I am in your corner with support. You have been good to the runners of N.O. and would be a fine coach at any of the colleges in N.O. I think you helped with some high school kids that needed it. I to have applied to UNO and sent several athletes to them. They never even looked at my resume except to tell me that one time that the job only paid $18,000 and I would not want to come for so little. Let me know who D2 is when you find out.

shady wrote:

Drewp, is that Mito-shi, Ibaraki.........running around Semba Ko perhaps.....when were you there?

Yep, Mito in Ibaraki. It's been a while since I lived there (1988-89, then moved to Tokyo; liked Mito much better for running, though), so I don't remember clearly, but I think the lake may have been Semba Ko (about 2-3 miles around). I used to see the S&B girls jogging on the bike path along the river that fed that lake. I ran into their coach at the local health club once. Can't remember his name, but he said he was an 8:30 steepler.

When were you there?

I lived there in 89-90....did you see me?!?(Gaigen!Gaigen...subarashi desu ne?)....the only 5'11" blonde haired caucasian within hundred's of miles. My wife was hired by Okabe Komuten as a ringer for their Ekiden team. Very interesting experience.

Who else was there wrote:

luv2run wrote:

Kastor followed the advice given at the marathon "summit" held in San Diego in the spring.

Were you also at this summit?

No, I was at the USOC Heat and Humidity Conference held prior to the marathon meeting. The same information was shared at both. Also she mentioned something to this effect about the "summit" in one of the interviews I read.

Benji Durden wrote:

Two weeks is not enough. It takes at least 3 weeks to acclimate and the longer you heat train the better. I have been heat traning fo 25+ years now. (:-)

Something like 90% of the acclimation is done in the first 2 weeks. From Larry Armstrong's book "Exertional Heat Illness" he recommends 10 to 14 days of heat exposure during exercise. The sessions should last 100 minutes (this is for elite athletes or those who are working). Improved sweating responses peak after 2 days. HR lowered in 2 to 4 days. Core and skin temperature decrease in 3 to 4 days.

Of course everyone is a bit different and there is a difference between how one responds physiologically and becoming accustomed or comfortable in the heat (especially throwing in humidity). So each person needs to find a routine that works for him/her. The problem is that developing this routine in a non-Olympic year might be tough in that one's schedule might not allow for it.

I would agree that the longer the better as long as one does not detrain in the process. As I understand it Deena did some of her running "overclothed" and then when to Crete for a couple of weeks. The triathletes are in Clermont, FL (or probably on their way over by now) and stayed away but in a similar environment (minus the bad air) at a camp doing the same sort of process.

I'll bet money that for the next Worlds (assuming they are in a hot place) that the marathoners will be calling Deena for advice!