I've heard of people saying "this was worth faster in x conditions', but never the opposite. Not like a downhill mile.
I've heard of people saying "this was worth faster in x conditions', but never the opposite. Not like a downhill mile.
It's not that I don't care about it, I just don't care what you have to say about it.
blood passports...
SPMBLNPF wrote:
and so you have opportunities for even a Galen Rupp to medal.
someone had to do it wrote:
quick
name the number of people with a 1500m/mile pb of 3:33/3:50 and a sub 26:50 10k.
That's the point, wise guy.
Many, many of these 2:04-2:05 Kenyans could OBVIOUSLY have gone 26:50. The point is none of them bother, because they get paid decently on the road and a pittance for equivalent elite performances on the track. And unlike Rupp can't collect a salary for training and ducking races for most of outdoors.
SPMBLNPF wrote:
Galen probably likes the attention, although even he and Alberto know that Galen wouldn't have even won Peachtree yesterday, as the roads would humble him.
How could Alberto get Rupp his splits every 200m in a road race? Segway?
I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if Alberto illegally talks his way (aka has Nike bribe his way) onto the course for Rupp's marathons.
name the number of people with a 1500m/mile pb of 3:33/3:50 and a sub 26:50 10k.[/quote]
That's the point, wise guy.
Many, many of these 2:04-2:05 Kenyans could OBVIOUSLY have gone 26:50. The point is none of them bother, because they get paid decently on the road and a pittance for equivalent elite performances on the track. And unlike Rupp can't collect a salary for training and ducking races for most of outdoors.[/quote]
Mutai wants to give it a go:
http://www.sportsnewsarena.com/mutai-sprints-away-with-10-000m-title--eyes-moscow-ticket--
Quick, name the number of 10k runners who have had multiple indoor rabbited mile races set up for them to try to run 3:50 indoors?
One, the rupster. Why? Because nobody else has wasted their time doing the same thing. He barely broke 3:51 and it was on Boston's track in a time trial= 3:53 equivalent
You're an idiot. How do you think most other fast times have been run? Yup, rabbits. That was an incredible run and it isn't a 3:53 equivalent because he ran 3:50...so shut up and stop commenting with comments that are just stupid.
yes, very poignant, like your father and mother dying in a plane crash. wrong word.
i don't think you get that there is a big difference between the 10k on the track and the marathon. track speed -- like running in the 26:40's -- is not guaranteed based on a fast marathon time, and that works the other way too.
your calculator is busted because the gap between speed required to run a fast 10k vs. marathon is so great, as is the endurance gap the other way. KB may never run a world-class marathon, even if 100% healthy, Mo might not either, despite their 10k performances. their bodies might not be wired for it.
anyone who has ever run a 10k on the track and a marathon on the roads (or on the track for that matter) knows the huge difference.
your analysis is bogus, as if that needs to be stated.
ventolin^3 wrote:
“I do not coach 10,000 metres runners. They do not remain here long. They leave,”
probably the most poignant quote ever for kenyan athletics
the country has had 4 guys run under 26'37 not including sammy who ran 26'41 at 18y off suicidal 26'16 pace at 6k
they have not had a ~ sub-26'37 clocking since sammy ( although lucas wouda done it if offered 13'20 pace instead of rubbish 13'25 - he's 2nd string talent )
i just hope either wilson kiprop has some form this year or geoff mutai enters 10k trials
i hope geoffey qualifies
he can run 26'30 solo of his M training
( assuming bit injured after drop-out in london '13 M - i heard leg injury )
( or even that stoopendous 1/2M in dubai in january/february )
( probably couda run 26'05 - 26'15 off his his new york M win while back - off M training
i'm not joking )
geoff kipsang was probably in 26'15 - 26'20 shape in his dubai win
hope he is fit for trials
DO NOT LOOK AT CLOCKINGS
LOOK AT TALENT !
Given your opinions on what Mutai could run, do you think he is that much better than Kennenisa and Haile, or that those two under-performed at 10000 in terms of their record attempt runs?
I do have to admit that it would be interesting to see how some of the top Kenyan road talent does on the track. It's a shame they almost never race a DL meet.
so sad wrote:
yes, very poignant, like your father and mother dying in a plane crash. wrong word.
i don't think you get that there is a big difference between the 10k on the track and the marathon. track speed -- like running in the 26:40's -- is not guaranteed based on a fast marathon time, and that works the other way too.
your calculator is busted because the gap between speed required to run a fast 10k vs. marathon is so great, as is the endurance gap the other way. KB may never run a world-class marathon, even if 100% healthy, Mo might not either, despite their 10k performances. their bodies might not be wired for it.
anyone who has ever run a 10k on the track and a marathon on the roads (or on the track for that matter) knows the huge difference.
your analysis is bogus, as if that needs to be stated.
Venetolin's analysis is fine. It's definitely a whole lot better than your "their bodies may not be wired for it" comment. People fail at marathons because of preparation issues, not physiological issues.
Here goes Ventoli again. First he says 2:05 guys can run 26:40, except 2:"5 guys like Kipchoge tried and did not do it.
Ventoli. makes bigassumptions about how times translate. Sure, Sammy might have run ten seconds faster on an even pace. The race was not paced for him, usually it's paced for the main person in the field especially in a 10000. Sammy would have been by himself if he had not followed.
G Mutai was considered the best runner on the planet after Kenya cross. Then he lost WXC to Merga and others. Mosop looked invincible in another year and he blew up too.
The fact is that Kenya has a gold and two bronzes in the WC or OG 10000 since Tergat was around. Top tier talent (Masai, Mosop, Kiprop, Baroki) have tried and not won. They are great athletes and may be great at the half or full marathon (Mosop was right behind Mutai at Boston). Running 26:30 is a tough task, just like medalist in global championships. Sure, here may be more 26:30 if people ran 10000 all the time and not half-m's. it does not tell you much about whether medals at the OG would change.
someone had to do it wrote:
SPMBLNPF wrote:and so you have opportunities for even a Galen Rupp to medal.
quick
name the number of people with a 1500m/mile pb of 3:33/3:50 and a sub 26:50 10k.
Most guys who can run under 26:50 would never bother running a 1500/mile, but here's another:
Salah Hisson - 3:33.95/26:36.08
Yup yup wrote:Here goes Ventoli again. First he says 2:05 guys can run 26:40, except 2:"5 guys like Kipchoge tried and did not do it
eh ?
i suggesst you look at the athletes more carefully before spouting nonsense
eliud ran his 26'49pb in '07 in his DEBUT, when losing a sprint to shinester ( a 26'39 guy at his best - & worth much better than 26'39 as i don't remember a breakneck pace for it )
he was NOT training for the 10k at the time, but ran it off his 5k training, evidenced by fact he didn't try to run 10k trials until '12
he ran 2 10k races in 5y between '07 & '12 ( both sub-27 ), & only made a serious attempt to train for a 10k for '12 trials when he finished 7th
rather than keep at the 10k, it appears that may have been his 1 serious season, or even race, at 10k & has now moved to the roads, unless of course he enters trials for moscow 10k - we'll find out soon
Ventoli. makes bigassumptions about how times translate. Sure, Sammy might have run ten seconds faster on an even pace. The race was not paced for him, usually it's paced for the main person in the field especially in a 10000. Sammy would have been by himself if he had not followed
eh ???
where's the rule saying :
"the race is set up for wr pace at 13'09 split, but only the kennster is allowed to follow it ???"
sammy as an 18y ole committed track suicide by following this pace at just 18y not just for 5k but to 6k !!!
he still held on for 26'41 !!!
if he had done what you suggested & stayed ~5s off this pace to 5k, he may very well have hung on much better for a 26'30 - 26'35
G Mutai was considered the best runner on the planet after Kenya cross. Then he lost WXC to Merga and others.
in a race canova, who coaches merga to some extent, said was run at a crawl & played into merga's hands
Mosop looked invincible in another year and he blew up too
eh ??
he finished 2nd in '07 x-country - the brutal mombasa race where kennster dropped out
mosop's a tough guy
The fact is that Kenya has a gold and two bronzes in the WC or OG 10000 since Tergat was around. Top tier talent (Masai, Mosop, Kiprop, Baroki) have tried and not won
no guy knowlegeable of kenyan athletics woud ever call baroki top tier - he's lucky to have made the team because of a good sprint in the slow trials race of '12 - no one has ever accused him of being a 26'40 let alone 26'30 guy in sheep's clothing
masai came 3rd in the the toughest 10k race of recent years - 11s behind kennster in '09wc
that race had tadesse run like a maniac & he came within fractions of "breaking" kennster at about 7th/8th km - he stretched his lead to about 5 - 8m & it looked touch'n'go whether kennster was going to crack or not
in the end, tadesse eased off & kennster got back
i have little doubt kennster was in ~ 26'20 shape that day & for masai to finish 11s back in 26'57 in such an epic tactical race easily showed a sub-26'40 guy
to lose to a guy in close to wr shape is not big news
as for kiprop, canova his coach tells us he was injured before games - how does a healthy guy drop out of a 27'30+ race ???
as for mosop, you do realise he ran his last 10k in '07 aged 21y ???
that was his 26'49pb losing in the sprint to shinester & eliud
he has never run another 10k since & his "peak" may be considered nearly 4y later in his boston 2nd
what do you think he couda run for a 10k at his 24y ole peak rather than as a 21y ole going 26'49 ???
SPMBLNPF wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Elusive-10000m-world-domination-well-within-Kenyas-grasp/-/1100/1906274/-/item/0/-/10nobulz/-/index.htmlLucas Rotich now looking at the marathon. Kipchoge becoming a road racer. The younger talent in Kenya understandably does not have much of a reason to focus on the longest track event, and so you have opportunities for even a Galen Rupp to medal.
You seem to be obsessed with black men a lot, and hate on a certain white runner almost always.
What's yer deal?
I don't know why you continually waste your breath making excuses for WHY Rupp has the little success he has, or why he will never be better than now, or why he MIGHT not medal because of xyz. What a waste! Are you willing to allow the sum total of your life be that of wishing I'll will to Galen Rupp? If Galen has success because others don't run, good for him!! He still get the acclaim and it certainly isn't his fault that he has no competition. Get a real life instead of sucking on Galen Rupp's for notoriety.
I don't know why you continually waste your breath making excuses for WHY Rupp has the little success he has, or why he will never be better than now, or why he MIGHT not medal because of xyz. What a waste! Are you willing to allow the sum total of your life be that of wishing Ill will to Galen Rupp? If Galen has success because others don't run, good for him!! He still get the acclaim and it certainly isn't his fault that he has no competition. Get a real life instead of sucking on Galen Rupp's for notoriety.
so sad wrote:yes, very poignant, like your father and mother dying in a plane crash. wrong word
correct word
the dearth of kenyan 10k guys due to lack of interest & moving to roads is poignant
i don't think you get that there is a big difference between the 10k on the track and the marathon. track speed -- like running in the 26:40's -- is not guaranteed based on a fast marathon time, and that works the other way too
nonsense
no one ever said a fast 10k guarantees a fast M
but it is likely a fast M does guarantee a fast 10k
i suggest you look up paula in '02
your calculator is busted because the gap between speed required to run a fast 10k vs. marathon is so great
more nonsense
5.67m/s for a 2"04 v 6.29m/s for a 26'30 is a mere 10% speed difference in an event differeing x4.2 in length
relative speed is not an issue
the issue is having the endurance to sustain the 10% better speed
as is the endurance gap the other way
no it's not
see paula or komen running 3'29/3'46 off 5k training
KB may never run a world-class marathon, even if 100% healthy, Mo might not either, despite their 10k performances. their bodies might not be wired for it
no one claimed they woud
but i'll tell you :
mo coud run a damn fast 1500 right now or will he need "re-wiring" to do so ???
anyone who has ever run a 10k on the track and a marathon on the roads (or on the track for that matter) knows the huge difference.
your analysis is bogus, as if that needs to be stated.
i see logic is not your strong point
in years to come, the M wr will drop from 2"03 to 2"02 to 2"01 & may even approach 2"00
these guys approaching 2"00 in decades to come may not have ever run a track 10k
do you still think that 27'00 is all they woud be good for for the 10k at the time ???
It appears that the 10,000m field at the Kenyan Trials will include Emmanuel Bett, Vincent Chepkok, Kenneth Kipkemoi, Leonard Komon, Wilson Kiprop, Lucas Rotich, Mark Kiptoo and Geoffrey Mutai, among others.
Hank Hill, Asst. Regional Mngr wrote:
Quick, name the number of 10k runners who have had multiple indoor rabbited mile races set up for them to try to run 3:50 indoors?
One, the rupster. Why? Because nobody else has wasted their time doing the same thing. He barely broke 3:51 and it was on Boston's track in a time trial= 3:53 equivalent
+1
Totally overrated performance.
Bekele would have run 3:48 in the same conditions.
More on the 10,000m trials:
Leonard Barsoton, the man who finished between Gebrhiwet and Edris at the World Junior X-Country Championships, is competing here. He did run 27:33 on June 29 in Japan. Maybe he can be a factor, although he is listed as 18 years old.