Ryan Hall leaves coach Renato Canova

killarney wrote:

xenonscreams wrote:

I do think Ryan Hall needs to (pardon me) get over himself and accept that he is not special and needs a (human) coach just like every other world-class runner needs a coach.

Heh?? There are LOTS of world-class runners who are self-coached. So many that it's not even that notable. Not many in the US but worldwide there are.

Who are they ?

Some of you may not realize Al Salaar had a lot of washouts with NOP. There are other coaches who get it. Vigil, Canova, Wetmore. I'd love to see what Colorado coach Mark Wetmore could do with our top professional athletes and Nike's resources, but he would quickly tire of the neediness of pro athletes. It's too bad, if Wetmore coached American pros, we'd win shitloads of medals.

xenonscreams wrote:

A Duck wrote:

You know, everybody makes jokes/flips crp/lies-libels-defames Salazar for being such a control freak about injury prevention.

The most important thing in what he is doing -- is that he is expressing he learned from all his been there-done that mistakes.

He understands how precious one's running health is, and how narrow a life window most runners actually have.

I always find it super amusing when people try to figure out the NOP "secret." PEDs? TUEs? It's right in front of all of you: AlSal is the only coach out there who has totally nailed the balance between training hard and training smart. He's the only one who gets it.

Ryan Hall was just outside of the US top 10 today in 29:16.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/07/mosinet-geremew-and-lineth-chepkurui-claim-victories-matt-tegenkamp-and-janet-cherobon-bawcom-crowned-usa-10-km-champions-at-2013-peachtree-road-race/

I was just asking a question to start discussion. It was not quite as much about the coaches as benfitting from a group. I doubt it would ever happen.

I wonder if he thought about Larsen and Meb. He could learn from them too.

Wetmore seems to be doing great with Barringer and I think he did well with Ritz and Goucher for a while.

Any wagers on how long before Hall resorts to snake handling and drinking strychnine to boost his performance?

Seriously, this guy make guys like Webb and Gabe Jennings look well balanced by comparison.

Ryan Hall's best days are likely behind him.

For a couple of years he will keep the LR faithful "hoping" ... "he's run 2:0x" until he stinks it up a few times and finally announces that he is retiring.

In all honesty if you follow Ryan on Twitter. He does many things, but it don't seem like he focuses on running in one location too much. He wants to run when he wants to run. He is never going to work with Salazar because Hall would actually have to listen to someone. It has nothing to do with Faith. I liked Hall for awhile, but he clearly does not want to be top tier.

Why isn't one bringing up the real issue here.

Renato Canova is not a good coach of non-African runners. He only knows how to coach the Kenyans.

drewters wrote:

In all honesty if you follow Ryan on Twitter. He does many things, but it don't seem like he focuses on running in one location too much. He wants to run when he wants to run. He is never going to work with Salazar because Hall would actually have to listen to someone. It has nothing to do with Faith. I liked Hall for awhile, but he clearly does not want to be top tier.

Wait...wait...you mean Hall doesn't like to sit in an altitude tent and stare at the walls? He actually lives life and travels!?

Hall would never go to Salazar because Hall is delusional.

He says the same thing in every interview.

"Super excited...just building strength, etc etc".

Indeed, but if he runs a Fall marathon as he says he will how great would it be if he runs NY, given that Ritz will be there?

TLW wrote:

He says the same thing in every interview.

"Super excited...just building strength, etc etc".

Ritz = Chicago.

Chad Hall ran 30:06

btruedoe wrote:

there have been many self-coached, successful marathoners

I agree.

I'm not a big fan of Hall, but I believe that some of the criticism is unjustified. Hall's marathon record is remarkably consistent; as far as I'm aware, his DNF in London last year was his first real failure in the marathon. My recollection is that, after leaving Mahon, he coached himself to a third in Boston, a third in Chicago, and a second in Houston, all in very respectable times that compare well with the performances of virtually any other non-African in marathoning history. Maybe he hasn't performed as well as he could have, but he has certainly done better than I would have predicted from his uneven collegiate career. He's probably made mistakes, but he's done a lot right.

I just wish he would stop saying that he's a 2:04 marathoner.

TLW wrote:

Wait...wait...you mean Hall doesn't like to sit in an altitude tent and stare at the walls? He actually lives life and travels!?

Actually, Ryan Hall spends about 20 hours a day in bed in an altitude tent and Sara brings him meals and collects his bedpan. He says he spends most of his time staring into space. He talked about it in this video at about 2:10-

It sounds like a pretty dull life.

Ryan Hall documentary wrote:

TLW wrote:

Wait...wait...you mean Hall doesn't like to sit in an altitude tent and stare at the walls? He actually lives life and travels!?

Actually, Ryan Hall spends about 20 hours a day in bed in an altitude tent and Sara brings him meals and collects his bedpan. He says he spends most of his time staring into space. He talked about it in this video at about 2:10-

http://video.competitor.com/2010/07/running/runcenter-what-ryan-hall-does-when-hes-not-running/?utm_source=HPmarquee&utm_medium=running

It sounds like a pretty dull life.

Ummm...no it sounds more like The Boy in the Plastic Bubble.

I'm getting hungry. Where should I go?

'AlSal is the only coach out there who has totally nailed the balance between training hard and training smart. He's the only one who gets it.'

and has 2 of the best runners in the world

He's a great coach but if he was the only one who got it Webb would have run 3:46 again

It's easy to nail it when you no longer have to worry about recovery due to "scientific advances"

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'AlSal is the only coach out there who has totally nailed the balance between training hard and training smart. He's the only one who gets it.'

and has 2 of the best runners in the world

He's a great coach but if he was the only one who got it Webb would have run 3:46 again