Fabolous Wilson wrote:
How does someone break the national high school record in August... technically did he not graduate high school? I could see if he ran this time at Junior Worlds but come on. How many highschool runners have the opportunity to run a ran such as this in August... such Bullshit.
I'm not really sure, but it would only seem to make sense that if any other HS runner had run 13:52, they WOULD have the opportunity to run a race such as this in August, or July 31st.
I hope there is a clause to that Aug 31st rule that somehow deals with the fact that many colleges start before aug 31st.
Also, the rule shouldn't be "before they start college" because Rupp isn't going to college (ok, part time at Portland State doesn't count)
stoutchemist wrote:
Rupp isn't going to college (ok, part time at Portland State doesn't count)
Neither does full-time at Portland State.
Did Lindgren really run an 88 mile long run? How much did he run a week???
oldguy wrote:
stoutchemist wrote:Rupp isn't going to college (ok, part time at Portland State doesn't count)
Neither does full-time at Portland State.
hahaha! C'mon, wouldn't you like to go to a school where the average undergrad age is 26?
No.
im goin to PSU this fall and true the school is huge. Its the biggest in oregon with like 26,000 students, even though some are fricken old.
Fabolous Wilson wrote:
Its completely unfair to other high school athletes, that he has such an aray of great opportunities that others do not share.
Should we go back to the communist system? Life is not fair. Some HS students have families that can afford them private schooling. After this, the family has the loot to pay for their Ivy League education. From there, they have an advantage over most state educated kids and get the best jobs and the cycle continues. Get over this unfairness crap because if you let the worlds unfairness get to you, we will probably see you on a bell tower with a sniper rifle settling this matter.
He claims that he did. He never counted mileage in HS but estimates he ran about 250 per week at his peak (but obviously not year round).
Actually, when pressed, Lindgren admitted that he didn't really keep track of his mileage.
Cheyenne wrote:
Did Lindgren really run an 88 mile long run? How much did he run a week???
Yes, and he was shot 17 times during that run.
Just to be fair, Ryun broke the 4 min mile during the school yr (well, maybe in the summer but after his Jr year). Liquori broke it just after graduation, but still got booked as a sub-4 highschool miler. As he should be.
Kudos to Galen, great race. He's a high schooler until his class starts college in the Fall. Makes sense.
Didn't an 18 yr old win that race he broke the US high school record in?
Hence the "he never counted his mileage but estimates" part of my post.
Yes, an 18 year old won the race in the 13:21 range. I remember a year or two ago a 16 year old running 13:06 in some major meet. Does anyone have the name?
That is ridiculous once you think about it. I don't care what anyone says, but once you cross that stage and recieve your high school diploma you are no longer in high school. So therefore he is no longer a high school runner regardless of his age. I am not trying to take anything away from Rupp because he is a bad ass. He just doesn't deserve to have that honor of being America's best "HIGH SCHOOL" 5000 meter runner ever.
What a pussy
malmo wrote:
Actually, when pressed, Lindgren admitted that he didn't really keep track of his mileage.
Also, when pressed, Lindgren admitted that he was a pathological liar.
Oh, wait. I'm sorry. He never admitted that.
Is it fair that private schools get to recruit out of county? Is it fair that some potential Jim Ryuns have to work to support their families instead of train for athletics? Is it fair that some high schoolers get coaches that are idiots?
The fact is that if you are not fortunate enough to get a coach who works his/her ass off at being a good coach, and takes time to educate themselves to coach their athletes better, you're shit out of luck. If you're serious about being good, you've got to know what a quandry you're in and seek outside help and subvert the powers that be.
A Club/national/pro system is the way to go, particularly when HS coaches require no certification other than CPR.
WangJFan wrote:
Lindgren was much better, but Rupp is totally legit... Ritz got some special treatment: they let him into USATF champs when he was a fraction off the qualifying time, and his racing at USATF was what allowed him to run the 13:44.7.
Was it "unfair" that Rupp got Salazar as a coach, underwater treadmills, etc? Maybe a little. By the same logic, it was also unfair the Lindgren could run 88 mile long runs without getting 17 stress fractures like I know I would. I could probably never run again if I tried an 88 mile long run.
Life is unfair. People have different advantages. So far Rupp is the fastest ever HS runner over 5000m. That's the way it goes.
Rupp is the man. Lindgren is the man. Rupp ran faster than Lindgren. Lindgren was better overall.
I think this post is very on target. Well done.
A historical note: Jim Ryun was a few days out of high school when he ran his 3:55.3