He was at the Millrose Games one year. I was pretty sure he went sub-4:00 there
He was at the Millrose Games one year. I was pretty sure he went sub-4:00 there
The Stache wrote:
Hasn't Bekele dropped several sub-4 FINAL miles en route to wins in 5000m races?
Wow, some folks are really stupid. sub-4 FINAL mile is with a flying start. Michael Johnson ran 9:20s for the final 100m in his 200m 19:32 WR. Faster than Usain Bolt in his WR.
But I doubt Michael Johnson would claim that he ran a 9:20s 100m.
Nobody outside America cares about the mile.
Who the f uck cares about the mile.
4:01 at Millrose.
And all of the math in the world will not give him an official sub 4 en route unless there was an actual recorded split taken from the start to the one mile mark.
And nothing with a running start could ever count.
Wang Junxia supposedly broke the 5,000 WR (and 3,000 WR) in the second half of her 10,000 WR but it wasn't going on the books.
Probably because the miles is almost never contested outside America.
I guess it's possible because nobody runs the mile much outside of America. He ran his best mile in February 2006. I think he didn't plan to peak for February.
In Aug. 2007, Bekele ran 7:25.79 in Stockholm for 3000m.
That's 3:59.15/mile pace. For 3000m. Or 1.864 miles.
An equivalence calculator says that's worth 3:43.41 for the mile.
A few weeks later, he ran 3:32.35 for 1500m in Shanghai. The same calculator says 3:50.12 for the mile.
toro wrote:
And nothing with a running start could ever count.
Wang Junxia supposedly broke the 5,000 WR
14:26, 11 seconds faster than the WR back then. One can argue as much as you want, a flying start is worth less than 11 seconds but at the end of the day, it still doesn't count.
That, and, of course, that the course was short - figure why the track has been destroyed....
Nutella1 wrote:
14:26, 11 seconds faster than the WR back then. One can argue as much as you want, a flying start is worth less than 11 seconds but at the end of the day, it still doesn't count.
That, and, of course, that the course was short - figure why the track has been destroyed....
What does it even mean for the time to "count"? This is just a group of people talking about times. We're not trying to change Bekele's PR or rewrite the record books. No one is advocating any official changes. We're just discussing how fast Bekele has run one mile because it's an interesting topic.
who cares if it "counts" wrote:
What does it even mean for the time to "count"? This is just a group of people talking about times. We're not trying to change Bekele's PR or rewrite the record books. No one is advocating any official changes. We're just discussing how fast Bekele has run one mile because it's an interesting topic.
Yes, and the answer is: not faster than 4.
No, he's run one mile faster than 4 minutes but he doesn't have a mile time faster than 4 minutes.
Got it?
It's pretty obvious that enroute to his 2000-meter time, he broke 4:00 for the mile. And he could do it, like...tomorrow.
Okay, what's next?
rekrunner wrote:In Aug. 2007, Bekele ran 7:25.79 in Stockholm for 3000m.
That's 3:59.15/mile pace. For 3000m. Or 1.864 miles.
An equivalence calculator says that's worth 3:43.41 for the mile.
you need a better calculator
iaaf gives that as 3'45.00
( albeit, imo that is still a poor equivalence - 3'46/3'47 looks more like it )
Nutella1 wrote:
Yes, and the answer is: not faster than 4.
Even if you don't count flying starts, it has already been mentioned on this thread that he ran the FIRST mile of the 2000m in under 4 minutes. Why does this time not count, in your opinion?
3-57 last mile ;D
flying start ?:D did flying start give those extra 3seconds, he also ran 3400m before. How can u compare flying start in 200 and 5000 , u should seriously see a doctor....
The Stache wrote:
Hasn't Bekele dropped several sub-4 FINAL miles en route to wins in 5000m races?
I'd be surprised to find out he's never done this. I bet he's done at least a few times, if not more.
toro wrote:
No, he's run one mile faster than 4 minutes but he doesn't have a mile time faster than 4 minutes.
Got it?
For the purposes of this discussion, that's a distinction that matters to you, and basically nobody else.
The original question was has Bekele "broken 4 mins in the mile?" The answer is "yes."
how is that? wrote:
Even if you don't count flying starts, it has already been mentioned on this thread that he ran the FIRST mile of the 2000m in under 4 minutes. Why does this time not count, in your opinion?
Was there a timing tool at the mile mark? Or has it been hand stopped? Lol.
basic math wrote:
Yep. Even without knowing his mile split, it would be mathematically impossible to run 4.49.99 for the 2000m without running a sub 4 mile at some point during the race.
Stupid comment.
It's certainly not "mathematically" impossible.
That's like me saying it's "mathematically" impossible to drive from New York to Boston in an hour. It's not going to happen, but the reasons it's impossible aren't "mathematical."
Maybe this will help you:
4:00:00 + 49.99 = 4:49.99
Dolt.
the smartest letsrunner wrote:
Stupid comment.
It's certainly not "mathematically" impossible.
That's like me saying it's "mathematically" impossible to drive from New York to Boston in an hour. It's not going to happen, but the reasons it's impossible aren't "mathematical."
Maybe this will help you:
4:00:00 + 49.99 = 4:49.99
Dolt.
I've already admitted that my statement wasn't quite correct. I'd rather be a guy who gets something wrong on a message board post than a guy who feels the need to jump on others when they've already admitted to being wrong.