Chicks there were bangin though, god i miss college
Chicks there were bangin though, god i miss college
muredhawk1 wrote:
I went to Miami, and there wasnt a black student on campus who wasn't on a sports team...
muredhawk1, I know who you are by that email address. We lived with a black student that wasn't a sports team.
Just read the article B, those are the only facts we have here. And you've yet to offer anything that denies that what is occurring at those two schools is racism. I'm suggesting that it's not racism, it's a socio-economic problem.
Considering your history and rep, I'd think you would refute that the situation is racism but you can't get your "angry at the world" head out of your "stick it to the man" a$$ long enough to read the article and speak intelligently.
Good point, what a total waste of life donnie was. I don't think he was offered any financial aid or anything.
viva, who are you?
Are our thought processes as muddled as your writing?
I have no clue what you are going on about. Just another mediocre white make angry at everyone who is not like him
muredhawk1 wrote:
viva, who are you?
The guy who bailed on you sophomore year.
i knew it!! i dont know why you would classify donnie as a "person". Still suck at mario kart?
And I'm totally in agreement about Will Leer, ON THE BANDWAGON!
Muddled? Maybe. I guess if I wrote as you do it would look like this...
Accusation. Statement with no supporting evidence. Another accusation. Insult.
I'm not sure what is exactly muddled about my writing but I'll admit that it might be unclear for YOU. I thought I was clear when I said I believe it's a class issue, not racism.
Do you have any statement/opinion/proof to offer that refutes the assertion that at this juncture (2011), the PRIMARY problem is that college admissions, scholarships, and grant opportunities are biased towards and systematically unfair to the middle class and offer students of poverty and affluence unfair advantages?
I probably still suck at Kart compared to you, but I'm better than anybody I've met in Nevada, so good that nobody will play me.
We are completely hijacking this thread. You should post more.
Miami was like 95% white. They needed those rich frat boys from Chicago to pay for the fancy brick buildings. But who cares about their ridiculous admissions policies. Miami admitted America's current top steeplechaser, Dan Huling, and that's all that matters.
And Donnie was a complete waste of space. Regardless of his skin color, he probably should not have been admitted.
I thought you just needed to breath or graduate from an Ohio high school to get into OSU.
Precious Roy wrote:
Where ya been! wrote:White and ASIAN students are shut down with SAT scores like 2370 for certain other population groups who score 1200. God where have ya all been. Its been a joke for 20 years. I never know what to say to these kids when another kid who got in to Brown laughs and says, Hell they payed for my transport to the school and I got in with an 1100. What is a school gonna do. Turn down some kid...who can then say you turned me down cause I'm black. Hell no! But no problem with turning down Asians and whites.
I think not knowing how to spell the past tense of "pay" was more a factor in your rejection.
Or rather, it was another non-factor in the acceptance of the less qualified applicant.
The last 50 years have shown that giving people things they don't deserve doesn't work. The gap is the same it was when affirmative action began. If I was black, I would be insulted if I was told I was too stupid to gain admittance to a school. In the year 2011, why do people feel that they should be given a pass on intelligence or lack of it. My take on this is that black men do not value education. Google the drop out rate for black men in education in America.
So outlandishly foolish. It doesn't "work" to simply admit students to college. There is a large gap in quality of K-12 education associated with socioeconomic status. Black people are over-represented among people with low SES due to systematic disenfranchisement for 100s of years.
If someone can't get into Ohio State, they were not meant for college
The Truth Seeker wrote:
So outlandishly foolish. It doesn't "work" to simply admit students to college. There is a large gap in quality of K-12 education associated with socioeconomic status. Black people are over-represented among people with low SES due to systematic disenfranchisement for 100s of years.
That's right. Because their grandparents had to sit in the back of the bus 70 years ago, they are unable to open a book and study in the evenings instead of running around goofing off. It's unreasonable to expect them to do well in class and on tests, and it's all due to systematic disenfrachisement.
Why is this news? This has been going on for years. If a significant preference was not accorded to blacks (in particular) and hispanics (less so, but still significant) there would be exceedingly few blacks and hispanics at these schools. I think that is really hard for people, but in particular academics, to digest. Hence the clarion call for diversity.
And yes, one could view this as a class issue, but that would be misleading. Blacks in particular perform much worse than their white counterparts in the same socio-economic circumstance, a statistic that frankly frustrates education specialists no end. My guess is that the family factors Moynihan pointed to 45 years ago are at work, unfortunately so.
The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education put out this very fair and balanced article a few years back:
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
One can argue about the efficacy of the SAT test, but it is disappointing to observe that the black white test score gap has increased, not decreased, in the last 20 years. One would think as the third generation since the Civil Rights era has come on board, the score gap would have significantly decreased. And claims of cultural bias ring hollow when many groups of Asians who don't speak English arrive here and outperform all other racial and ethnic groups (save for Ashkenazi Jews). I highly doubt the SAT test writers are thinking about being culturally sensitive to the kid from Mumbai or Shanghai.
And the class argument does not hold up. Witness this excerpt from the JBHE article:
But there is a major flaw in the thesis that income differences explain the racial gap. Consider these three observable facts from The College Board's 2005 data on the SAT:
• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.
• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.
• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.
I know the concern of many white students is that they are being discriminated against. I am not sure this is the case at most schools, at least in a material way. I am reasonably sure that Asians are being discriminated against, but since they don't fit the New UncleB progressive narrative as a relatively newly arrived minority, this fact is often ignored. There is a principle involved with public institutions, too - it is discouraging to some to see benefits parsed out based on racial characteristics, at least if we are trying to move to a post-racial society.
What really matters to me is whether affirmative action is successful. That is clearly a mixed bag. The programs certainly cause more minority students to attend than would otherwise be the case. But with the exception of a few schools like University of Virginia, graduation rates in four years lag significantly, and the incidence of STEM majors is far less (i.e., would black students with some academic talent be better off at a HBCU, where students graduate in STEM majors at a much higher rate?). These to me ought to be the relevant inquiries, although since they don't assuage white guilt so nicely, there is insufficient focus on them.
My own experience in a very competitive professional school was saddening. This was 25 years ago so it may now be better. By admitting students who were not competitive or sufficiently prepared, it set them up for misery, especially since the pass rates for professional licensure exam were nothing short of awful. But I think good intentions were in place - the results just were not what was hoped for.
In my opinion there are two very wrong statements in this thread so far.
1. Anybody who thinks Miami University only accepts black students because they are high performing athletes has not seen Miami's teams play sports. Certainly there haven't been any black track athletes that are all-americans or threats to qualify to the olympic trials. Don't lump Miami athletics in the same category as OSU's - its an insult to OSU.
2. OSU has become very difficult to get into over the past 10 years. It used to be easy but is now quite difficult. The average ACT score is 24 or 25 - not like it used to be.
As a Miami grad and the legacy of another, I can verify that the black enrollment at Miami has always been low. I'm not sure who or why this is the case, but when I was in school Miami worked very hard to get more black students to want to apply and attend. I believe part of the problem for black students is they don't want to attend a school known for having few black students in the first place. It becomes a cycle that is tough to break
The real problems:
1. Horrible unionized primary and secondary educational systems that have trapped and disadvantaged the majority of students who have grown up in large population centers over the last thirty years. These population centers have been owned by leftists for about 60 years and many by minority political machines - think Detroit, Atlanta, Philly, LA...... Choice is so badly needed everywhere but more than ever in the minority communities.
2. Middle class suckers who keep clamoring for increased financial aid that will simply be added by the colleges to next year's costs.
Common refrain of parent, "Room board and tuition is $37,000, up $5000 from last year but my daughter collared 3 scholarships and a grant totalling $4500 so it's not so bad.