Why is it that it is the under 25 boys here who are more misogynistic than the 50+ people?

im in da know wrote:

It has everything to do with the fact that teens and college kids want to get attention for saying "outrageous" and irreverent things, so they post crap that they don't really believe, just to see how people will react.

If a little kid points out that a 300 pound woman is fat when everyone else has learned that there are (mostly social) consequences to pointing out an uncomfortable truth and they keep silent, he isn't speaking up because he's trying to be outrageous and get attention, he's just calling it like he sees it and hasn't been told to shut up enough times.

Typing under the influence? wrote:

jorvack wrote:

sex + maturity = decrease in misplaced misogyny

Well said.

The under-25 crowd on the message boards tends to get carried away and will often drown in their own hyperbole. Another classic example was how several of them thought that German Fernandez would break McChesney's American-born collegiate record in the 5,000m as a true freshman, and some of them were even predicting sub-13:00!

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2912804

They will gain a much more accurate perspective eventually.

1) It is completely bogus to say that there is a large amount of misogynistic statements from under-25 men on this board. There are not a whole lot of misogynistic statements on here, and there is no way to tell either the sex or age of a poster except for self-identification, which isn't always accurate.

2) Fernandez ran 13:25 for 5k as a true freshman. Thinking he could have gone 10 seconds faster is not THAT far out in left field. He did actually set an NCAA (And world junior) indoor record with his 3:55i.

great thread brewing here, please keep this going.

Women have saying the goes something like....men are like rugs, if you lay them right, you can walk all over them the rest of your life.

This clearly applies only to you numbnuts old-timers copping out behind being "mature"

Concerned Citizen wrote:

Fernandez ran 13:25 for 5k as a true freshman. Thinking he could have gone 10 seconds faster is not THAT far out in left field.

Seriously? That's just under one second per lap. I'm sorry, but that IS out on the warning track in left field! If a man runs a 1:43 800m, did he really threaten Rudisha's WR? No, of course not.

Jason Mayeroff

Thread over.

Typing under the influence? wrote:

Concerned Citizen wrote:

Fernandez ran 13:25 for 5k as a true freshman. Thinking he could have gone 10 seconds faster is not THAT far out in left field.

Seriously? That's just under one second per lap. I'm sorry, but that IS out on the warning track in left field! If a man runs a 1:43 800m, did he really threaten Rudisha's WR? No, of course not.

1) It's different the faster one gets.

2) If Alan Webb had run 1:42 high as a freshman I guarantee people would have been talking world record.

jorvack wrote:

sex + maturity = decrease in misplaced misogyny

Most of these boys spend most of their time trying to get laid or are latently gay. So they feel rejected and angry, but do not know how to process these emotions.

So they lash out at women.

Please tell me more about your brilliant analysis.

Younger men are pressured to appear emotionless and callous so they will often go out of their way to make it seem like women do not matter at all to them. Especially when in the presence of other young men. Hence many of the posts on LetsRun where someone is seeking serious relationship/dating advice and many of the commenters respond with "put it in her butt" or "we need pics."

Mos Def wrote:

Younger men are pressured to appear emotionless and callous so they will often go out of their way to make it seem like women do not matter at all to them. Especially when in the presence of other young men. Hence many of the posts on LetsRun where someone is seeking serious relationship/dating advice and many of the commenters respond with "put it in her butt" or "we need pics."

How is a request for pictures or a suggestion of anal sex misogynistic?

Who are you to call a 24 year old man a boy? You female chauvinist pig!

I am 34.

I was there.

That is how I know and why it upsets you boys.

jorvack wrote:

I am 34.

I was there.

That is how I know and why it upsets you boys.

I think it is hilarious that people take posts on letsrun so seriously. Looks like you still have a lot of maturing to do.

I don't think that there is all that much misogyny on this board (the posts claiming that letsrun is visited mostly by misogynists seem to outnumber the posts containing actual misogynistic messages). To the extent that it does occur, I think that the extreme stuff is coming from people who are just trying to be inflammatory.

Of course, there is some complaining about women on the board. I wouldn't call most of it misogynistic, though. People--men and women both--complain about the opposite sex sometimes. There are differences between the genders and while some of these differences are very nice, others lead us to annoy the hell out of each other on occasion. I don't think that simply bringing up those things that annoy you constitutes a display of hate for women (you can love women in general and still be pissed off by and complain about the postnuptial shutoff, for example).

more woman than you can handle wrote:

Because 50+ men have had 50+ years to learn that women do it best on top.

Translation: ^^ old, fat and bossy chick.

The older generation grew up in a different time period than us. A lot of baby boomers went to colleges where the vast majority of the med school, law, and science students were men. Back then, it seemed to make sense to encourage women and maybe give them a helping hand to get on equal footing. For my generation, we see that enrollment and graduation at college, including in choice degrees, is 60% female. I know that this makes me a little bitter and pissed off that there are something like 6 times more female-only academic scholarships than there are male-only. Also, women without children in their 20s out-earn men these days. This type of change is having major repercussions in society and will likely lead to many women not wanting to have children in the future relative to past generations.

If my generation sounds a little misogynistic at times, it's because we perceive that women only want equal rights when it benefits them. There are a lot of things that women have advantages at in society relative to men. The gender specific academic scholarships are one, some others include: lower insurance rates, lower incarceration rates and shorter sentences than men for the same crime, advantages in child custody hearings, not to mention in the choice of having kids in the first place. If we are going to get rid of the advantages that men have in the interests of equality, such as sports, then we also have to equalize the playing field when it benefits women. The older generation grew up when the playing field was tilted towards men, and had all the advantages so they are out of touch with the reality facing men in their 20s today.

I don't think my contemporaries are misogynistic at all. On the other hand, I DO think my contemporaries like trolling, and so some of the less internet-savvy out there might take obvious jokes as serious.

However, I don't want to hide behind "oh dudez we're just trollin lololol" garbage. We're the first generation who were constantly told growing up that both genders are exactly the same and anyone can do anything and if we so much as DARE suggest fundamental differences between the two genders, then we're Neanderthal Imperialists who probably think women should be barefoot and pregnant from age 13 until menopause.

I remember once having to stay in from recess in 2nd grade for writing that my mom was a way better cook than my dad, because that implied women should be in the kitchen. (I still remember exactly what happened- we were practicing cursive writing and I wrote "I like my mom's dinners better than my dad's dinners, because my mom doesn't burn them.")

I think a climate like that, it isn't necessarily a leap of logic to think that some guys are going to overreact to silliness like that and say crap just because it's taboo.

All that being said, I don't think A) there's a lot of those kinds of comments here and B) I think the older guys are just as guilty of it. Look all the relationship advice threads, there's almost always some divorced guy giving out bitter, pathetic advice.

Don't all the under 25s hate Title 9?

Part of the age difference in attitudes towards women could be that the 50+ crowd never had joke girl runners getting scholarships, or declining interest in running amongst girls partly causing male runners and teams to get cut.

Now that's probably fairly true.