I see you managed to get my initial reply to your spewing deleted.
I am NO Liberal. I belong to NO party. Don't insult me.
America is in BIG trouble, that's a fact.
I see you managed to get my initial reply to your spewing deleted.
I am NO Liberal. I belong to NO party. Don't insult me.
America is in BIG trouble, that's a fact.
One of the key factors behind the popular uprising in Egypt is the unemployment situation and general economic problms there. Given that is related to the worldwide economic down turn that was caused in part by the US financial meltdown that happened on Bush's watch, you can give him some of the credit/blame. How much of that you can lay at his feet is debatable.
Pelosi in 2006 with Dem majorities in both houses (committe chairmanships and all) was a "key" factor. Look at the spending spike starting then. They controlled the budget.
Given that the Egyptians have, so far, exchanged a civilain dictatorship for a military one, I think the question should be "how much freedom do the Egyptians actually have?".
If, and only if, the military hand over control of the country to a democratically elected government, will your question have any relevance. Until then ...
You Americans are funny. Here's a reality check - it's not all about you. How about we credit the people of Egypt for removing Mubarak?
As for the good ol' USA, you'd be better off trying to fix your own country rather than interfering in others.
Fishing Instructor wrote:
One of the key factors behind the popular uprising in Egypt is the unemployment situation and general economic problms there. Given that is related to the worldwide economic down turn that was caused in part by the US financial meltdown that happened on Bush's watch, you can give him some of the credit/blame. How much of that you can lay at his feet is debatable.
This.
wait, when did Republicans give credit to Obama for anything? They demonize the very man who, compromising with republican ideas the whole way, despite those very ideas undermining his plans and his support from democrats while gaining him nothing from republicans, brought our economy back from the brink of depression to health.
As I said before, Bush's speech was a promising step. But notice that there was not exactly a rush to freedom after it. Part of the reason was that he needed the dictators for the extraordinary rendition and other help in the Middle East, so he backed off on any aid. Obama came along and ended the war in Iraq but more importantly gave his CAIRO speech championing freedom and universal rights in the region and when protests became big, used his pulpit and his power over aid to Mubarak to help unseat Mubarak. So any reasonable person would give Obama a big fourth place heaping of credit here behind 1) the Tunisian people, 2) the Egyptian people, and 3) the Egyptian military. (and he really was a big reason the military supported the demonstrators.)
Drizzy wrote:
SupWitDat wrote:Not sure, but we can definitely credit Bush Jr. for doubling the deficit.
And Obama for tripling it??
Obama inherited a deficit of about 1.4 trillion dollars and has either slightly increased it or left it static, and the major reason for the deficit is the fall in tax receipts due to the Bush recession.
Are you joking?
Iraq was purely revenge for 9/11
Bush did more to cause trouble in that region than any idiot had a right to
DocLove wrote:
Are you joking?
Iraq was purely revenge for 9/11
Bush did more to cause trouble in that region than any idiot had a right to
As I posted on another thread - the consequences of Bush’s invasion of Iraq…
Two million Iraqis remain abroad as refugees from seven years of anarchy, with another 2 million internally displaced.
Ironically, almost all Iraqi Christians, in the country for nearly 2000 years, (and safe under Saddam) have had to flee.
Under western rule, production of oil – Iraq's staple product – is still below its pre-invasion level, and homes enjoy fewer hours of electricity.
Some 200,000 civilians are estimated to have lost their lives from occupation-related violence.
The country has no stable government, minimal reconstruction, and daily deaths and kidnappings.
Endemic corruption is fuelled by unaudited aid.
Increasing Islamist rule leaves most women less, not more, liberated.
And all this is the result of a mind-boggling $751bn of US expenditure - surely the worst value for money in the history of modern diplomacy.
sad reality clown wrote:
Fishing Instructor wrote:One of the key factors behind the popular uprising in Egypt is the unemployment situation and general economic problms there. Given that is related to the worldwide economic down turn that was caused in part by the US financial meltdown that happened on Bush's watch, you can give him some of the credit/blame. How much of that you can lay at his feet is debatable.
This.
Also agree. The Tunisians and Egyptians deserve credit. Bush, just like every other president since most of these Middle East dictators came into power, just let things slide as long as the rulers were friendly to the US.
Oh my god you are SO STUPID! Let me guess. English major still in college? Or wait, maybe a HS English teacher?
Obama inherited a deficit of about 1.4 trillion dollars and has either slightly increased it or left it static, and the major reason for the deficit is the fall in tax receipts due to the Bush recession.[/quote]
If by "...from the brink of depression to health" you mean helping Wall Street stabilize, again yield huge bonuses, all the while the unemployment rate remains well over 9%, then yeah, he SAVED THE FREAKING WORLD!!Bush implemented TARP or none of the following would have happened. He also granted the GM/Chrysler the cash to get them to Obama's term, where they received even MORE money.
jjjjjjjj wrote:
wait, when did Republicans give credit to Obama for anything? They demonize the very man who, compromising with republican ideas the whole way, despite those very ideas undermining his plans and his support from democrats while gaining him nothing from republicans, brought our economy back from the brink of depression to health.
As I said before, Bush's speech was a promising step. But notice that there was not exactly a rush to freedom after it. Part of the reason was that he needed the dictators for the extraordinary rendition and other help in the Middle East, so he backed off on any aid. Obama came along and ended the war in Iraq but more importantly gave his CAIRO speech championing freedom and universal rights in the region and when protests became big, used his pulpit and his power over aid to Mubarak to help unseat Mubarak. So any reasonable person would give Obama a big fourth place heaping of credit here behind 1) the Tunisian people, 2) the Egyptian people, and 3) the Egyptian military. (and he really was a big reason the military supported the demonstrators.)
What have you done for our country?!
Former Democrat wrote:
Conservative talk show host Michael Medved gave high marks to Obama for his Arizona speech after Giffords was shot.
Rush always talks of the eloquence in which Obama speaks.
All elected Republicans complimented his "stay the course" in Afghanistan.
The left's problem is, most are so full of hate, they just assume everyone thinks the way they do. So you can't just disagree, no, you must hate them. I never understood that when I was younger and a liberal.
kaitainen wrote:seriously? i'd love to see examples of this.
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If bush doesn't invade Iraq, this whole Egypt thing doesn't happen.
FannieMaeFreddieMacBarneyFrank wrote:
Oh my god you are SO STUPID! Let me guess. English major still in college? Or wait, maybe a HS English teacher?
try philosophy professor (college). and let me do what philosophy professors do: cite a source.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/huge-2009-budget-deficit_b_466266.htmlzero, zip, nada
None. He installed a Shariah Muslim Government in Iraq. He helped prop up dictators like Mubarak and Musharif and now Karzi (spelling?). So none.
Now he will get some credit for faux democratic governments, but not freedom.
About as much as Kermit Roosevelt (look it up).
Besides, why should Bush take credit for anything? He never took the blame for anything.
Redheaded stepchild wrote:
If bush doesn't invade Iraq, this whole Egypt thing doesn't happen.
You don't seriously believe this, do you?