Indoors is very important becasue there are not a lot multi opportunities is a season; keep in mind that you will probably only get about 3 opportunities in an outdoor season. You need to get in as many complete multis as you can.
Indoors is very important becasue there are not a lot multi opportunities is a season; keep in mind that you will probably only get about 3 opportunities in an outdoor season. You need to get in as many complete multis as you can.
With 'only' seven events it is easier to get a heptathlon done, and indoors avoids the hot/cold issues that arise over two very long days of a deca. Eaton is weak in the strength events and a big improvement in his SP was key for a second record. However, at 47 feet it is still modest and outdoors adds the discus and the javelin, so a deca win will be a bigger challenge for his set of characteristics. Still, he took off a reported 2 feet behind the line in his 7.77/25-6" LJ and was cramp-inhibited in his HJ (2.01 vs 2.11 PR). He may have left a little on the table in his 2:34+ 1000 (2.32 last WR and his 1:55 showed he has the legs to go as fast as 2:30.
Still, if could be a tough competition to make the WC and OG teams. Remember that some secondary guys are still improving and that one of them, Detmer, scored 7700 points for the 10 deca events when he did a big WR (world best, really) in the 20-event variant (which included a steeple, 10,000, 400h, and 5000, so a huge number of meters -- > 1200m of sprints, 2300 of middle distance, and 18,000m distance).
Yeah, I used to 'fear' Karpov, but you could always rely on him to choke in the javelin. Which puzzled me, he has the perfect body structure to be a good chucker.
Don't forget the 3 young Cubans - they are slight of frame, but they could muscle up as they get older. Sort of the same physique/style as Eaton....
The other wild card you left out was Krauchenka. He still frightens me, the amount of potential he might have left to develop.
No big multis in the USA... I know, right?? Wouldn't that be great? Isn't it frustrating that Sebrle can be recognized in public in a dozen European countries, but Clay is virtually invisible here? I wish there was something we could do to turn the American public on to combined events (or just T&F more generally).
*sigh*
The Cubans are always tough. I do believe the US will send 4 to the Championships. Hardee was the champ in 09 and should get a free pass.
The Cuban Suarez who was runner up in Berlin and I believe 3rd in Beijing is an odd multi guy. He is an outstanding at the Javelin, High Jump and a decent 1500 meter runner. He is not a good 100m guy but his hurdles are better than average and so is his 400.
Yunior Diaz is a guy to watch out for.
Hardee and Eaton are really the same kind of guy. They are awesome hurdlers and this translates to very good 100m, and long jump. They are both great 400m runners and are usually some of the last guys out in the PV. Hardee is a ways back in the 1500 from Eaton but Hardee is 20m up in the javelin and 10m in the Disc.
Eaton seems to have that "extra" quality. I don't know what it is, but from what I see of him, his "faults" seem to be correctable. His performances in particular events seem to vary quite a bit--so do many decathletes'--but one gets the sense that he, of all the current crop, could put it together well.
Hardee is the same kind of guy, but for me he doesn't seem to have that quality. To me, he seems too steady, not like he's going to bust one out one day. He seems like a reliable journeyman multi-guy.
How's this for inconsistent--I didn't mention the Cuban guys for precisely the same reason that I DID laud Eaton!
I guess they're a bit too all over the map for me right now. Really, there are enough decent decathletes around north and central america right now that there should be 2 full decathlons this side of the Atlantic, one of which should be a really early-season meet.
It's really about consistency not in training, but DURING A MEET. I found the only way to get better at that was to do way more competitions--of course, a couple of events at a time, because there are no multis around. Doing multiple events at a normal meet is tough due to timing--event conflicts, as well as insufficient rest, added to equipment, etc.. A total pain in the butt.
Nice addition to US multis.
Why ? wrote:
I don't understand why he has such a stupid coach who makes him peak for indoors when Daegu is only six months away.
By "incredibly stupid" do you mean someone who is making coaching decisions differently than... you would? Harry Marra has been helping Eaton improve steadily.
What would be your training approach, oh enlighted world class (world record breaking?) multi event coach? I'm all ears lol
P.S. Only multi event coaches understand how to train and peak multi event athletes. Don't apply knowledge of training for the indoor 1000 or outdoor 1500 to a decathlete. Unless you know how to factor in training to score 90% of your points in 9 other *explosive* events, you might not follow the logic.
QUICK RECOVERY MEANS HES ON SUMTHING ?
Heptathlon World record: 28 posts.
Chris Solinsky and Galen Rupp play Guitar Hero together: 315 posts.
sprint geezer while I do agree Eaton has that extra quality I must say Hardee had the same problem as Eaton. His weakness like Eatons was throwing. He recognized the problem and set a best in 2 of the 3 at Berlin. The other was his 2nd best. So he did work on the issue and put it all together on that day without sacrificing his speed. He also threw a life time best at the millrose meeting.
To be world class Eaton will have to add muscle and throw better. He is giving almost 600 points in the throws to Hardee, Suarez and Clay and is basically even in the sprints with Hardee. But at 22 or 23 he has a few years to develop and will probably go down as one of the greats. If he isnt already. But of course if he runs 10.20, 13.35, 48, and gets a 1000 in the LJ the competition could be over by the time he runs the 1500.
maybe rupp and solinksy should stop playing video games and take a page from Eatons book.
winter is the time to finish that mba. that's why few elites do indoors seriously if at all.
themanontherun wrote:
Heptathlon World record: 28 posts.
Chris Solinsky and Galen Rupp play Guitar Hero together: 315 posts.
Which why we get out butts kicked in long distances, not why we may sweep the medals in the decathlon this year.
Sprint geezer, I agree with kipketer here - Hardee was weaker in the throws too until his muscularity matured (i.e., bulked up); Trey's PB 8790 is only barely behind Clay's, and his 'potential' top end (score based on 10 PB's) is 9157, which ranks 17th best all time.
http://www.decathlon2000.com/eng/841/decathlon-total-points-based-on-personal-best/
I see Eaton, the 3 Cubans, and Krauchanka at the same place now where Hardee was a few years ago: the speed & athleticism and raw talent are already there, but the musculature for throwing comes along slower, later. Bryan Clay followed that same pattern - was the sprinter/hurdler/jumper first, then only came into his own after he 'aged' a bit (i.e., put on the muscle) to throw better.
Bryan better get his WR & 2nd gold fast, while he can, because I think at least 3 others who are competing now have a legit shot at breaking 9000 in the next 5-6 years.
Incidentally, I have to say: wow, how exciting that there are actually some multi- fans here! Yeah, ok, so maybe it's just 3 or 4 or 5 of us, but I can't EVER find anyone who has any interest in multis. Even though we get buried by Rupp's & Solinsky's air guitar, I am SO GLAD I finally found someone in the states who actually follows multis! I love you guys!! ;-)
Talking specifically about the Heptathlon, Eaton owns this event. He will hit 6750 before anyone else reaches 6450.
Think about a 9000 point guy like Sebrle, who in 25-30 hep attempts only reached 6438.
O'Brien, an ~8900 guy who was relatively weak at the Jav and 1500m, who you would expect to be excellent at the hep, only got 6476.
Eaton will hold this record for a very long time.
Yeah multis!
I totally agree that Clay had better do something fast.
I also agree totally about the building of upper-body musculature into the late 20's, and its beneficial effects on the throws.
Amazingly to me, Clay can be great in the throws. To me, that is what sets him apart--a guy who is good in events in which he shouldn't be. You would expect a 6'5"+ athlete to be good in the throws, but not necessarily a 5'11" guy.
That tells me that he is well-trained, and that his technique is excellent, and that his performances will be consistent, but not really improve. I think his throws success is due to execution, and not necessarily to native ability.
I can't wait for Eaton to mature. He sort of reminds me of Erki Nool, I don't know why.
Librarivore wrote:
yeah, I started a thread here on Tallinn / Eaton while the event was still going on, but it only got about 12 hits, from about the same 3-4 people.
It's a shame that a running board of this volume would [seemingly] care so little about the world's greatest T&F athletes (or even greatest without the 'T&F' qualifier).
It appears to me this board is populated primarily with distance runners, not a lot of sprinters or combined eventers. Oh well. It's nice to see that someone else here cared.
Clay, Eaton, Hardee... damn, has the USA ever looked so good in the multis?!?! :-)
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