Can schools combine athletic and academic scholarships? I thought that was against the rules.
Can they combine financial aid and athletic scholarships? Maybe that is what was against the rules.
Can schools combine athletic and academic scholarships? I thought that was against the rules.
Can they combine financial aid and athletic scholarships? Maybe that is what was against the rules.
Call me crazy but maybe it is that Oregon can recruit based off ..
1. past success
2. facilities
3. coaching
4. opportunity to train with the best
5. stories of people going there with X times and coming out of there as pro runners
6. giving kids who live and breathe track possibly the most ideal place to thrive
I would go there for little to no scholarship money, just to have the chance to improve. Believe it or not, its not all about money for some people. I was offered several full rides and accepted a partial from a school that had great academics and a historic xc and track program. I wanted to be part of that history, so I paid part of my way through college for it. I wouldn't go back in time and take any of those full rides. I am perfectly happy with my student debt and the great times I had as a part of my team.
I have some experience with high level NCAA T&F programs. I can tell you for a fact that at LSU, Barrett Nugent (NCAA runner-up) and Michael Lauro (All-American in weight and hammer) are not on full rides. Many of the sprinters are not on full rides either. The sad fact is a lot of Negroes qualify for Pell grant and other need based aid. Their need based aid does not count against the NCAA limit. The fact of the matter is, a large number of the top sprint/jump recruits come from lower-class background and don't need a full athletic scholarship to go to school for free.
Re: Russell Hornsby. His family is independently wealthy and he obviously didn't need a scholarship to go anywhere in the country. However, Oregon gave him books.
from a coach on a previous thread:
Ask the coach at the school.
Ask financial aid at the school.
It depends on the institution. If GPA, SAT or class rank meet the threshold set by NCAA for exempt academic awards, then they will not count against the sports NCAA maximums.
However there are schools that do not allow stacking of scholarships. While other's do.
At our institution, a 3.8 and 1200 SAT may receive $11,000 in academic aid. I will then supplement that with athletic aid based on the level of athlete.
Smarter students are always cheaper students in our program. A kid may not be worth a 75% athletic scholarship because of his performances. but if they are smart enough, and they get 30% from the academic award, they might be good enough for say a 50% athletic award, and they are now only left with 20% to pay.
I know of other schools that will reduce an institutional grant dollar for dollar with their athletic award.
So ask the specific school's financial aid authority and the coach. You may get different answers from different schools. but under no circumstances take the word of anyone on here, including me.
They don't study so who wouldn't go Ore for the effortless degree.
I was actually just talking to Harry G about this a couple of weeks ago. He said he hated kids who wanted full rides because they're stuck up and stuff. Recruits who were content with 1/3 or whatever were much easier to work with and, in many cases, more successful.
Most DI presidents only care about football, mens basketball, and womens basketball. Rich alums and supporters hand over large amounts of cash in unmarked bills to athletes who express financial hardship. It's been that way for 100 years. There's endless rumors and jokes about these type of activities and they seem to be true. How else do kids sustain their athletic activities. How else can kids graduate without studying a damn thing. That happens with the UO XC & TF teams and at every other school as well.
"How else can kids graduate without studying a damn thing. That happens with the UO XC & TF teams and at every other school as well."
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This is the kind of misinformation that damages our sport. I am aware of many of the athletes at Oregon and other D-1 universities....they study. In fact, Oregon has in recent years had the good fortune of attracting an abundance of scholastic minded students for their track and XC teams. You do an injustice to our sport and the outstanding young people who are attending college with participating in the sport, with your spurious and false comments. If you have a bitch with Oregon or any other fine University at least be truthful about it. They don't give away the grades at any of these schools, the young people have to earn them.
O.K. Vin. If you say so :-)
Trust me, tons of Shenanigans go on at Oregon, Vin is the master of that! They do it at Oklahoma State too, their way is no Track team so spend the 12 scholarships on your Cross country team:-) But seriously, if you can run fast and get decent grades a coach will figure out how to get you money. No one in their right mind would go to an out of state school nowadays to win a National title and pay their entire way. If you did, you're a fool to have $200k in debt for a "chance" at a National title especially in Cross Country.
not a math major wrote:
Can schools combine athletic and academic scholarships? I thought that was against the rules.
Can they combine financial aid and athletic scholarships? Maybe that is what was against the rules.
Schools can do all of this. Academic scholarship for students above 1200 SAT composite (2 scores) don't count against the 12.6. I'm not sure what the GPA counter is, but if you're above it, it doesn't count. If a school gives out academic aid for students below these thresholds, it counts against the 12.6.
Financial need based money is not a counter, and is probably where there is the biggest grey area at bigger schools. So if you have a kid with 1200 on the SAT, and his parents are from relatively modest means, they could be looking at (numbers are made up) $10,000 academic scholarship, $10,000 in financial need grants. If tuition/room/board is $40,000, you could potentially give this kid a "full-ride" but it only counts as a half per NCAA rules. So to the kid, they're getting a full-ride, but to the team, they would only count as a half-ride.
At least one state gives their colleges a huge recruiting advantage. At Oklahoma schools (incl. OSU) out-of-state student-athletes only have to pay in-state-tuition if their gpa is something like 3.0 (?). That's the equivalent of a 2/3 scholarship right there before even considering athletic or financial aid, so those schools can basically offer full-rides to as many athletes as they want.
Lets look at German for example. In HS he was working at Applebees every day to help his family. They certainly qualify for all sorts of need based aid, but they still asked for a "full ride". Oregon couldn't give him a full ride, but I am sure he could have had everything paid for at Oregon through financial need based grants, partial scholarship and a "job". Smith gave them a "full ride", but I'll bet he would have not had to pay anything at the other places vying for him even if was not officially a "full ride".