SalukiAlum wrote:
Peyton is a great QB on an average team
This doesn't explain why over his career, he has done better in the regular season than the post season.
SalukiAlum wrote:
Peyton is a great QB on an average team
This doesn't explain why over his career, he has done better in the regular season than the post season.
I concede on Kobe being a great leader; needless to say, the guy wins ball games.
I remember seeing the Payton Manning rant about protection. You can't fault the guy for that. If the line fails to protect him, then he receives a beat-down. A leader is someone who can call out teammates at appropriate times. Peyton Manning was doing exactly that IMO. Football players are professionals and need to accept criticism.
I wouldn't call the behavior in this video calling out teammates at appropriate times. I like Peyton, but I don't think he's demonstrating great leadership in this video.
What that video doesn't show is moments later ALL of them laughing it off. Jeff Saturday has lined up at center with Pey Pey over 150 straight starts and yes, sometimes they yell at each other. I personally have never been on a team where things were rainbows and kitty cats 100% of the time, every now and then it's ok for tempers to flare.
As for why he is so bad in the playoffs, he is tied for fifth all time in wins, which out of about 190 something guys who have started a playoff game as qb, ain't to shabby. Also his playoff line reads as 19 games, 29 tds to 19 pics, 5,389 yards passing, 7.5 ypa and an 88 qb rating.
Best post season qb of all time? No. Qb other than Tom Brady I would pick to start my playoff game every time? Yes.
Over his career he gets to play Jacksonville, Tennessee and Houston twice among other teams. In the playoffs he plays the top 12 teams in the league with something on the line. I think we should be ragging on guys like Carson
Palmer, Matt Leinart, Ryan Leaf, etc. Last night, Peyton didnt lose that game, the Colts did.
Peyton Manning is bad in the playoffs because he keeps running into Tom Brady
Peyton is one of the best QBs in the league and much better than his brother, but both of them will wind up with just one Super Bowl ring, the same number as Trent Dilfer.
Your right, Peyton and Dilfer will end up having very similar careers. How many rings did Marino win? Throw him in that bunch as well.
Nicely done sir.
SalukiAlum wrote:
Your right, Peyton and Dilfer will end up having very similar careers.
Yes, because that's precisely what I said. And it's "you're," though Dilfer would probably make the same mistake.
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
SalukiAlum wrote:Peyton is a great QB on an average team
This doesn't explain why over his career, he has done better in the regular season than the post season.
Nobody has a better record in the playoffs than the regular season! In the playoffs you're playing one of the top teams in the league every day, with much more at stake. Think about it, if you make the playoffs as a wildcard, the ONLY way to come out of the playoffs with a winning record is to make the conference championship game. And if you get a first-round bye, the only way to come out of the playoffs with a winning record is to go to the Super Bowl!
Winning in the playoffs is tough. Just the fact that Manning dragged this crappy team TO the playoffs should be cause for celebration. That being said, Manning was a major choker early in his career. But not necessarily true anymore.
Were it not for being surrounded by major talent late in his career, John Elway may very well have wound up with zero Super Bowl wins. As it is, he won his first one when he was 37 and ended his career as Super Bowl MVP. And he's still the only modern-day QB to appear in five Super Bowls, the last two almost a decade removed from the first three.
Sagarin wrote:
Were it not for being surrounded by major talent late in his career, John Elway may very well have wound up with zero Super Bowl wins. As it is, he won his first one when he was 37 and ended his career as Super Bowl MVP. And he's still the only modern-day QB to appear in five Super Bowls, the last two almost a decade removed from the first three.
Amazing to think that Brady could make it 5 as well this year, with almost a decade span as well. As an Elway fan as well as a Brady fan, it's a cool thing to think about.
What does a team's record in a certain area have to do with the quarterback?
Joe Namath was 2-1 in the playoffs (with a Superbowl win) and a career record of 63-65-4 and is regarded as one of the all time greatest! WITH A LOSING RECORD! Fans of today would be ridiculing him rather than making him a media darling.
Give us a break. Steroids were legal when Namath, Manning's dad, and Elway played and they took steroids. Peyton has a dozen docs monitoring his numbers to avoid getting caught for PEDs.
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
This doesn't explain why over his career, he has done better in the regular season than the post season.
Maybe the competition is a lot better?
The colts clearly weren't that strong of team this year, so in fairness to Peyton, it's not surprising this year. (Although the Pats will prove next Sunday that the Jets aren't that great either). I do however, think it's fair to notice a trend when Peyton has a sub .500 record in the playoffs despite having 7 straight 12 win seasons. That's why despite whatever stat you cite, it's obvious to me the debate begins and ends with Brady.
He can score but he just isn't good enough on defense.