“When I came to Alberto, I thought I was done being hurt,” Ritzenhein said. “But this is the longest cycle of injuries t

Bill Rodgers.

Shoebacca wrote:

Bill Rodgers.

Bill Rodgers was the "spoiled" Galen Rupp of his own day, saying he'd never lose to someone with a day job, only to proven wrong and come in 4th at the Olympics.

Remember wrote:

Shoebacca wrote:

Bill Rodgers.

Bill Rodgers was the "spoiled" Galen Rupp of his own day, saying he'd never lose to someone with a day job, only to proven wrong and come in 4th at the Olympics.

What? Are you a f***in idiot?

You got it all wrong.

just a runner. wrote:

Remember wrote:

Bill Rodgers was the "spoiled" Galen Rupp of his own day, saying he'd never lose to someone with a day job, only to proven wrong and come in 4th at the Olympics.

What? Are you a f***in idiot?

You got it all wrong.

I'm sorry, misplaced a decimal point, hahaha.

10.1976 Montreal Olympics (2:25:14) 40th

themanontherun wrote:

As Salazar sees it, though, Ritzenhein needs to have perfect biomechanics if he is to have a chance at finishing ahead of Gebrselassie and Keflezighi, both of whom train relentlessly and seem to run effortlessly.

Geb is great despite his less than perfect biomechanics. Geb has contributed greatly to the sport of running, but his running mechanics have been one of the biggest distractions ever to our understanding of efficient distance running biomechanics.

IMO, Salazar should be looking at Tadese, Yifter, Viren, and Kaki for the future of biomechanics.

Salazar's idea of "pawing at the ground" just before impact to decrease the braking effect actually adds to impact stress, increases the braking effect, and reduces efficiency.

Salazar focus on running mechanics/form?

Help or hinder his career?

Am I missing something?

Probably ...

vfdafasdf wrote:

How many times did you meet her?

At least once more than you have

me again wrote:

The Author says about Salazar's current running,

"...he moves stiffly, with a lock-jointed gait like the canter of an elderly racehorse."

"...When I told him after the run that his form looked good, he flushed with pleasure."

This writer is a jerk.

Can you explain why these comments from the article make the writer "a jerk"?

jus wondering.... wrote:

How many times has Mr. Hudson posted on this thread?

What I'm wondering is why so many people assume somebody's trolling the thread when multiple people disagree with them? Can't you just accept that not everyone thinks like you do?

just a runner. wrote:

The problem with Al Sal is that he is looking for a secret. The secret is running more, plain as the nose on your face, throw the rest of the shit away and run more.

Shit, just go to Hodgies site and look at BR's log, plain and simple, just run.

If you had read the article, you would realize that that was also Salazar's approach when he was a competitive world class runner. The question is, what changed to make him so bent on this type of approach? I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I don't think yours is the whole story. It's just not that simple, but you act like it is even though Alberto has been there before and is now believes he has answers beyond this. For you to say conclusively what is best when you don't even know what made him arrive at this conclusion is just childish of you, and you should stop being so naive. My point is, I hate it when people act like they are certain about anything when it just is not a settled debate. You need to think outside the box a little more.

midwest dominates wrote:

Jason,

I would be very interested in your opinion when it comes to Alberto coaching the marathon. You seem to be very knowledgable when it comes to marathon training.

I have been disappointed in the fact that none of Alberto's athletes ever improve upon their debut marathon under his training. Do you think that this is just bad luck or is he missing something?

I have met Mr. Salazar and I have a great deal of admiration for him as a coach, person and athlete. When I was young and had never run a race in my life, his amazing victories at NYC really made me fascinated about the marathon.

Based solely on what I have read about the training of Mr. Salazar's athletes, having read and observed the training of runners around the world, and having done a few things right (and many things wrong) with my very limited amount of talent, I can offer the following statements;

(1) To train for the marathon you need to do basically 2 things:

(a) Run enough miles and long runs to put the strength in your legs to get to the finish line without slowing down and...

(b) Run enough miles at your goal pace (and slightly faster) to improve your system to be able to handle the pace. This is supported by the wonderful posts that Mr. Renato Canova has posted on this site.

(2) From what I've read about underwater treadmills, cryosaunas, negative-gravity treadmills, biomechanical analysis, interval workouts right after a race, etc., it is possible that Mr. Salazar has made things too complex. Look what happened to Mizuki Noguchi when they tried to change her mechanics before the Beijing Olympics!!! Mr. Ritzenhein is a runner with unbelievable talent, and just throwing a simple program at him with moderate (100 mpw) mileage, moderate long runs, regular marathon pace runs, then some intervals in the last 3-4 weeks to sharpen, might be the ticket to his 2:06.

What I do know about Japanese marathon training programs is that their programs are very simple...and BRUTAL. They are constantly injured. The Japanese corporate team that lives in the town where I am in Japan right now has more than half of its runners dealing with some kind of injury right now....but keep in mind that this same team has sent a runner to each of the last 3 Olympics, in the marathon.

(3) Mr. Ritzenhein seems to get injured about as much as I do, which is to say, A LOT! Muscles, bones, ligaments and tendons can be very unpredictable structures, and we runners stress the bejesus out of them, constantly taxing the supply of water, macro-nutrients and micro-nutrients. Assuming that Mr. Ritzenheim is getting enough water, carbohydrate, fat and protein, perhaps he should take a closer look at the vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidants that he is putting into his system. When we train as hard as we do, we deplete these micro-nutrients very quickly and create massive oxidative stress that can be squelched somewhat with the right anti-oxidants.

So in sum, yes I think that Mr. Ritzenhein should pursue a simplified training system, good diet, and some very thorough blood tests to take a look at not only his iron and blood cell count, but also copper, zinc, magnesium, manganese, anti-oxidants, vitamins, etc.

Ralphy wrote:

I doubt it.

20 bucks says you hop on the "Dathan-is-a-lazy-injured-bum" bandwagon the second he gets hurt and falls off contention for an OG.

You have to be in contention for an OG to fall off contention for an OG. Ritz will never be in contention for OG.

noodler wrote:

Ralphy wrote:

I doubt it.

20 bucks says you hop on the "Dathan-is-a-lazy-injured-bum" bandwagon the second he gets hurt and falls off contention for an OG.

You have to be in contention for an OG to fall off contention for an OG. Ritz will never be in contention for OG.

Where on earth did you get your crystal ball?

The things people say!!

vfdafasdf wrote:

not a jerk wrote:

Maybe she is noting what she observed. As we want from a journalist.

Disclaimer: I have met the writer. I though she was very smart, but not a jerk.

How many times did you meet her? Once? That's hardly enough to know a person. With that said, this article appears to be written by a jerk.

New Yorker articles are famous for being worked on by a team of people. One writer does the leg work but they get massaged to death by a staff.

just a runner. wrote:

The problem with Al Sal is that he is looking for a secret. The secret is running more, plain as the nose on your face, throw the rest of the shit away and run more.

Shit, just go to Hodgies site and look at BR's log, plain and simple, just run.

Actually, this article and author was the topic of a recent NPR "On Point" with Tom Ashbrook, also featuring Scott Douglas and Bill Rodgers. On the show, Bill Rodgers said the obvious factor is "being born at altitude." It sort of surprised me since I would agree with the above statement, but there you have it from the king of "running more" than the other guy.

Geb is great despite his less than perfect biomechanics. Geb has contributed greatly to the sport of running, but his running mechanics have been one of the biggest distractions ever to our understanding of efficient distance running biomechanics.

IMO, Salazar should be looking at Tadese, Yifter, Viren, and Kaki for the future of biomechanics.

Salazar's idea of "pawing at the ground" just before impact to decrease the braking effect actually adds to impact stress, increases the braking effect, and reduces efficiency.

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So Geb has bad biochemics but Yifter and Tadese don't? Have you seen Tadese run? His head bounces all over the place and moves all around in flipsy flopsy, plus he is so not relaxed and also his arms don't go back as much as desired for an elite, a huge amount of wasted energy in his form.

Wow! Just wow. I can't believe resources are wasted on stuff like this.

Paula Radcliffe's form is impeccable and look where it got her. wink-wink

I'm just simply implying that Geb does not have worse biochemics then Tadesse and Yifter. Go look at Tadesse running his HM world record.