Wisconsin Recruits

Milwaukeean wrote:

Marquette has very limited scholarship money and they don't give out full ride scholarships. UW-Milwaukee is more likely to give a larger scholarship because they have tuition waivers that they are able to give out. Parkside also has more money to give out than Marquette.

With all due respect to UW-parkside and its runners and really even UW-Milwaukee and its runners, I dont think Madison loses very many recruits to either one.

and the point I think that he is trying to make is that however small of a scholarship a guy may get to Minnisota/Marquette, it looks alot prettier than having to walk-on

Comas no fun wrote:

Milwaukeean wrote:

Marquette has very limited scholarship money and they don't give out full ride scholarships. UW-Milwaukee is more likely to give a larger scholarship because they have tuition waivers that they are able to give out. Parkside also has more money to give out than Marquette.

With all due respect to UW-parkside and its runners and really even UW-Milwaukee and its runners, I dont think Madison loses very many recruits to either one.

and the point I think that he is trying to make is that however small of a scholarship a guy may get to Minnisota/Marquette, it looks alot prettier than having to walk-on

I was just pointing out that it wouldn't take a full scholarship to pull someone away from Madison for some of these kids. You are correct in that the top Wisconsin recruits are not ones that Marquette or UW-M even have a chance at. What these schools are doing is taking away some of the good walk-on recruits that Madison would get, but lose to lesser schools because of partial scholarships. This can hurt Madison's depth, although that doesn't usually seem to be a problem

Yes, Wisconsin does miss out on some in-state studs since Mick came in, but you've got to examen what he's trying to do with the team.

When they won in '05, their top 7 looked like this:

Bairu (Canada)

Solisnky (WI, but FL champ, 3rd at FL as a Jr, and 8:43)

Withrow (IL, FL champ)

Ford (UK)

Eagon (Oregon)

Nelson (California)

Wagner (Ohio)

This era also featured Teg, from Missouri who was top 5 at FL.

Overall, the Badgers obviously need to look outside the state to field a title or trophy contending team. However, they need to make sure they get the best WI kids to stay (ie. Rombough), plus increase the availability/allure of walking on; those are the kids that will be top 5 guys in lean years that can be the difference between 6th and 4th.

Wisconsin is looking for kids who can help them in both XC and track. Due to his injury last year, Schubert didn't have a stellar track season, this might be the reason they haven't had a lot of contact with him. I would say he has their attention after an excellent XC season. If he can run around, or below 9 in the 3200, then he would meet their criteria, IMO.

Loblaw wrote:

Yes, Wisconsin does miss out on some in-state studs since Mick came in, but you've got to examen what he's trying to do with the team.

When they won in '05, their top 7 looked like this:

Bairu (Canada)

Solisnky (WI, but FL champ, 3rd at FL as a Jr, and 8:43)

Withrow (IL, FL champ)

Ford (UK)

Eagon (Oregon)

Nelson (California)

Wagner (Ohio)

This era also featured Teg, from Missouri who was top 5 at FL.

Overall, the Badgers obviously need to look outside the state to field a title or trophy contending team. However, they need to make sure they get the best WI kids to stay (ie. Rombough), plus increase the availability/allure of walking on; those are the kids that will be top 5 guys in lean years that can be the difference between 6th and 4th.

What studs have they missed out on since Mick? I mean I guess they are still young, but Storkel and Paulson didnt make a weak minnisota team, wardell is more of a track guy and I guess, who am i missing? I think the guys stated earlier are great runners but in all honestly, on the national level they are not studs for cross country. At this juncture anyways. Not trying to rip, just being honest.

Wagner -INDIANA

I know they didnt compete long but other high end recruits from Jerry: Bethke - CA, Jager-IL, both proved to be studs in their own right, sadly not for the badgers though.

Duhr wrote:

EXACTLY.

Elliot Krause was 17th till a quarter-mile to go. he had a tough day but I think we can all agree he should have been an all-american. Peacock, was All-american his THIRD YEAR(red shirt so), and Elliot is in his true Junior year.

Elliot was 11th at FL MW, i.e. he didnt qualify for footlocker and was a walk-on. Yet here he is, one of the key cogs to a Strong badger team. I garuntee nobody was talking about this kid out of high school on the national level. Just need to keep geeting Krause's and Ershen's sprinkled in with your Darling/Hatz/Sheilds' and your occaisional Ahmeds as they only come around so often. Its all about the development and who can stay heathy longer

Elliot seems to have a problem finishing races. At Footlocker Midwest where he missed qualifying by one place, he was 8th coming into the finish and was passed by one guy, then a group of two in the slight incline. Despite being great over long distances, he really doesn't have a good kick at all.

Also, Wisconsin coaches would take an in-state guy over an out-of-state guy any day of the week if they ran similar times.

I'm very excited by the next track season in Wisconsin. The last couple years has been great for distance runners in Wisconsin. I would love to see Schubert, Mirth (if he runs a track race), and Tommy Meister push 4:10 or sub 9. I think meister has a great chance of sub 9 in high school as he is only a junior. I also like to see in state kids walk on at wisconsin and develope over time just like ben gregory over his 5 years. Phil Thomas is another example. He wasn't anything special in high school and he just ran at nats for them.

what i dont get is why they dont land in state guys, like schubert (they barely have talked to him i know for a fact) they could get some more in state talent but always act like theyre too good for them...for example, marcus paulson, d1state champ xc and ran a good time, 412 kid or john luterbach 913 415 guy (both of them ended up at minnesota)...they dont even talk to them...if u ask me these guys have tons of potential

For a kid that sound so sure of all this.... Paulson not only was recruited by Wisconsin, he went on an official visit there with Ershen you tard.

I don't know how i got that all bold, but now at least it looks like what I have say is important.

A "kick" has nothing to do with finishing strong at the end of races, it's all about having "strength." If you are questioning his strength then you don't know what you are taking because his 29:12 says he has plenty

I'd be happy with Driggs and Schubert. Hatz could be an all american next year as a redshirt frehsman. It would be HUGE for the Badger women to add Woodward. Her and the FLCCC Midwest runner up from michigan? would be a great haul for the Badger ladies. They can really use the help.

"If you are questioning his strength then you don't know what you are taking because his 29:12 says he has plenty."

That 29:12 included a 61 second last lap!

Jack Driggs from IL considering the Badgers.

http://www.milesplit.com/articles/56692

My only concern is that he may have already had too many miles put into him. I know that it's a somewhat controversial topic, but York runners seem to have little room for improvement when they get to college because they do high mileage in high school.

As a Wisco fan, I hope that's not the case, but it sorta seems to be the pattern.

dookie wrote:

My only concern is that he may have already had too many miles put into him. I know that it's a somewhat controversial topic, but York runners seem to have little room for improvement when they get to college because they do high mileage in high school.

As a Wisco fan, I hope that's not the case, but it sorta seems to be the pattern.

I bet if Coach Newton kept coaching his kids they would continue to improve. Most York kids go to college and end up at a program that isn't as good as what they had in high school. Hard to have that type of environment at the college level.

Track & Field News has their recruiting class from last year ranked #7. They must've loaded up with some track guys as well?

HS CC Coach wrote:

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I bet if Coach Newton kept coaching his kids they would continue to improve. Most York kids go to college and end up at a program that isn't as good as what they had in high school. Hard to have that type of environment at the college level.

In the case of the Dettmans, you think Newton is a better coach than Vin at UO?

I kind of agree with what some people say in that it is Coach Newton's job to win championships. However, some coaches prescribe to the theory of getting their runners ready for college, and winning if possible.

What I don't understand about your statement is that most York kids go to college and end up at a program that isn't as good as their high school program. Let's say that Driggs goes to Wisconsin, he will get better coaching at Wisconsin, same with Stanford, Oregon, OSU, most any top program.

Most of them have reached 90-95% potential by the time they hit college due to high intensity in high school.

Look at Solinsky. Don Behnke(sp?) at SPASH is a high mileage guy. Worked out all right.