That first CBA kid has horrendous running form. Wow. It also looks like he's about to fall over almost the entire time he's running.
That first CBA kid has horrendous running form. Wow. It also looks like he's about to fall over almost the entire time he's running.
It is, it should be, and I'm sure the coaches want it to be, about the kids.
What should be about the kids?
Everything. People are trying to give credit to Bennett or to give it to Heath but I suspect that both would prefer that everyone gave it to the kids.
I agree. Nevertheless, a group of unsupervised high school boys with no guidance ain't running 16:05. Props to the guys on the course but the positive influence of a good coach cannot be denied. Especially with the consistency CBA has.
well then it looks like we are on the same page.
I've seen Ohio xc teams that have averaged 16:00 flat at the State meet
this is not a flat Ohio course this is Holmdel. Look at the times a kid runs at Holmdel vs Great American od Orlando.
Their top runner was a couple seconds away from Craig Forys' top run on the state championship course. He (Maz) also broke one of Forys' course records a few weeks ago.
He beat Jeremy elkhaim this weekend. The run by the entire CBA team was, in no other terms, epic.
Any team with that kind of performance should be ranked nationally in the top 5.
They are a good team, but I doubt they are one of New Jersey's all time best.
They're #1 is great, footlocker quality. Then their 2-5 range from the 30-100 at a standard footlocker NE.
The recent great NY teams like FM in 04 would put all 5 in front of CBA's 2 (0 in front of their 1)
I do commend them for their accomplishment, but we shouldnt get carried away.
LS Lion wrote:
That first CBA kid has horrendous running form. Wow. It also looks like he's about to fall over almost the entire time he's running.
Just goes to show that you can't tell much about form just by looking. Ain't no one gonna run 15:20 on Holmdel (probably worth ~14:20 on the track) with horrendous form.
Joe_Smith wrote:
This is New Jersey, it is deep every year. CBA is a top 3 team nationally and this is the best performance in state history.I still think they are behind two or three teams, but when you have Tom Heath as your coach anything is possible and a win at nats is not out of the question.
If their 4&5 are 40/50th @ their STATE MEET, then they have no shot at being top5 in NXN, where they will likely be near the back.
Well, the measure of NJ distance running is more easily measured on the track. Do they have more fast 3200 and 1600 times? I'd say so ... seems like a lot of kids past few years between 8:45-9:10 3200 and 4:05-4:15 1600
F***tard, this isn't the STATE meet, this is the NJ MOC. Not just a F***ing section or division subsuming a fraction of a percentage of the state's runners. This encompassed all of NJ's ridiculously meshed around gene pool.
Loki wrote:
LS Lion wrote:That first CBA kid has horrendous running form. Wow. It also looks like he's about to fall over almost the entire time he's running.
Just goes to show that you can't tell much about form just by looking. Ain't no one gonna run 15:20 on Holmdel (probably worth ~14:20 on the track) with horrendous form.
I don't follow. Are you saying he has good form or he succeeds despite his form?
Why does the coach matter? More importantly, does the success or failure of a program a reflection of the coach whom leads that program? I will submit that the success of a cross-country or any athletic program is a direct reflection of the coach who leads that program.
Look at any league in the nation to see a microcosm of this issue. Within every league there are consistently programs year-in and year-out at the top and at the bottom. Consistently these positions do not change. What is the common denominator? The Coach.
Take the singlet off, walk across the street and kids are kids. The difference is in ones willingness to work harder than the other. The same could be said for the coach, give him a whistle, give him a group of equal kids and within months the "fruits of their labors" will be self evident. Effort and hard work always wins over "talent" and luck.
I would petition that teams competing at Nike Cross Nationals have great coaching. The coaches desire to win, to be the best, to accept nothing but individual excellence is paramount to the dominance locally and nationally. Take these coaches and place them on any other cellar dweller and it won't be long until that team wins. Thus why NFL, MLB, NBA, even running athletes seek out coaches to turn the tide. Likewise, take a cellar dweller coach and put them on a great team and it won't be long until they become a reflection of that coach.
A coach is either the weakest man on the team or the strongest and all those associated with his passion are extensions of his philosophy.
The question remains, are you a weak coach or a strong coach, will you instill weakness and mediocrity in your young men and woman or strength and excellence? Are you a coach who is willing to strive to be excellent in ALL things...tenure does not equal coaching knowledge or prowess.
At the end of the day, kids want to win, in the right way. Teachers teach, coaches coach. The team in last looks at the team in first and wishes that were them. The team at home watching NXN wishes they were there. Sacrifice, determination, excellence are demanded of Coaches just as they are the athletes whom they inspire. It is my declaration that there is one common denominator between teams at the bottom and teams at the top...the coach. As Marc Bloom states, It's all about the coach!
I would like to congratulate all the Amazing coaches in America and those who are striving to be great coaches, who inspire young men and women through winning state titles and national championships. Let the chatter and banter begin. It's ALL about the coach.
"It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt, 1910 speech "Man In The Arena"
XCWildcard wrote:
Why does the coach matter? More importantly, does the success or failure of a program a reflection of the coach whom leads that program? I will submit that the success of a cross-country or any athletic program is a direct reflection of the coach who leads that program.
Look at any league in the nation to see a microcosm of this issue. Within every league there are consistently programs year-in and year-out at the top and at the bottom. Consistently these positions do not change. What is the common denominator? The Coach.
Take the singlet off, walk across the street and kids are kids. The difference is in ones willingness to work harder than the other. The same could be said for the coach, give him a whistle, give him a group of equal kids and within months the "fruits of their labors" will be self evident. Effort and hard work always wins over "talent" and luck.
I would petition that teams competing at Nike Cross Nationals have great coaching. The coaches desire to win, to be the best, to accept nothing but individual excellence is paramount to the dominance locally and nationally. Take these coaches and place them on any other cellar dweller and it won't be long until that team wins. Thus why NFL, MLB, NBA, even running athletes seek out coaches to turn the tide. Likewise, take a cellar dweller coach and put them on a great team and it won't be long until they become a reflection of that coach.
A coach is either the weakest man on the team or the strongest and all those associated with his passion are extensions of his philosophy.
The question remains, are you a weak coach or a strong coach, will you instill weakness and mediocrity in your young men and woman or strength and excellence? Are you a coach who is willing to strive to be excellent in ALL things...tenure does not equal coaching knowledge or prowess.
At the end of the day, kids want to win, in the right way. Teachers teach, coaches coach. The team in last looks at the team in first and wishes that were them. The team at home watching NXN wishes they were there. Sacrifice, determination, excellence are demanded of Coaches just as they are the athletes whom they inspire. It is my declaration that there is one common denominator between teams at the bottom and teams at the top...the coach. As Marc Bloom states, It's all about the coach!
I would like to congratulate all the Amazing coaches in America and those who are striving to be great coaches, who inspire young men and women through winning state titles and national championships. Let the chatter and banter begin. It's ALL about the coach.
"It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt, 1910 speech "Man In The Arena"
I skimmed this.
Loki wrote:
LS Lion wrote:That first CBA kid has horrendous running form. Wow. It also looks like he's about to fall over almost the entire time he's running.
Just goes to show that you can't tell much about form just by looking. Ain't no one gonna run 15:20 on Holmdel (probably worth ~14:20 on the track) with horrendous form.
Get over yourselves, Holmdel is nothing, as your the lackluster performance of the Rosas at a weak NXN last year showed.
Joe_Smith wrote:
This is New Jersey, it is deep every year.n.
Word.
I've seen Jason Rexing training with these boys. I think he is going after an Olympic trials Marathon time next year. I'm sure he has a helped a lot with their recent racing. Having a stud like that around usurps Heath and Bennett's influence.