Waldemar Cierpinski

Cierpinski was definitely doping, as stated above. He would still have been a good marathoner but probably not nearly as good as he was with the DDR docs on his team. The '76 Olympic Marathon was an occasion of "what ifs" for the US. Shorter ran his second fastest marathon ever. Kardong cramped just before the stadium and could very well have held on for a medal otherwise. And Bill Rodgers, who ran 2:10:10 two months later, had a very rare bad day. Had the dice been rolled only slightly differently it could have been a 1, 2, 3 race for the US. If you are interested in the Montreal race this video is a must watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB0pBGGfeUA

Fentrekker wrote:

If you are interested in the Montreal race this video is a must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB0pBGGfeUA

Thanks a lot for this link!

Only people who think he was dirty are jealous American haters.

Jealous American haters wrote:

Only people who think he was dirty are jealous American haters.

You are quite incorrect. Those who know Cierpinski to have been dirty are those who know how to read. The evidence about him is a historical fact. I am not American. I have very little national loyalty of any sort whatsoever. But having personally known Shorter, Rodgers and Kardong, and known them to be clean athletes, I think I can be forgiven for having some loyalty to them personally.

Fentrekker wrote:

Jealous American haters wrote:

Only people who think he was dirty are jealous American haters.

You are quite incorrect. Those who know Cierpinski to have been dirty are those who know how to read. The evidence about him is a historical fact. I am not American. I have very little national loyalty of any sort whatsoever. But having personally known Shorter, Rodgers and Kardong, and known them to be clean athletes, I think I can be forgiven for having some loyalty to them personally.

No proof he doped, ran similar times to Rodgers. No one accuses him of doping.

Jealous American haters wrote:

Fentrekker wrote:

You are quite incorrect. Those who know Cierpinski to have been dirty are those who know how to read. The evidence about him is a historical fact. I am not American. I have very little national loyalty of any sort whatsoever. But having personally known Shorter, Rodgers and Kardong, and known them to be clean athletes, I think I can be forgiven for having some loyalty to them personally.

No proof he doped, ran similar times to Rodgers. No one accuses him of doping.

Hang it up mate. History exists. Truth exists. (Wenn dies Falk oder Waldemar ist, krabbeln Sie zurück in Ihr DDR-Grab.)

Fentrekker wrote:

But having personally known Shorter, Rodgers and Kardong, and known them to be clean athletes,

You can't know this.

Jealous American haters wrote:

Fentrekker wrote:

You are quite incorrect. Those who know Cierpinski to have been dirty are those who know how to read. The evidence about him is a historical fact. I am not American. I have very little national loyalty of any sort whatsoever. But having personally known Shorter, Rodgers and Kardong, and known them to be clean athletes, I think I can be forgiven for having some loyalty to them personally.

No proof he doped, ran similar times to Rodgers. No one accuses him of doping.

Because Rodgers didn't dope--that's why he isn't accused. Grow up. Not every accusation is based on nationalism. Cierpinski was a cheat. He knows it. He were part of a terrible, tragic regime and it must suck to know your accomplishments were ersatz, perhaps worse than the clean athletes whose medals he robbed. At least they know in their hearts they are not compromised.

BackBay wrote:

Jealous American haters wrote:

No proof he doped, ran similar times to Rodgers. No one accuses him of doping.

Because Rodgers didn't dope--that's why he isn't accused. Grow up. Not every accusation is based on nationalism. Cierpinski was a cheat. He knows it. He were part of a terrible, tragic regime and it must suck to know your accomplishments were ersatz, perhaps worse than the clean athletes whose medals he robbed. At least they know in their hearts they are not compromised.

Only reason why he is accused of doping is because he beat your beloved Frank Shorter. Sorry, but he got beat by the better person, not because of drugs. But, because he was the better man. Due to better training. And, he is not a sissy who accusses others of doping almost 44 years later just because he lost to him.

Skimmed through this, saw nothing on him or doping as far as endurance events are concerned in east Germany.

wqqqqqqqq wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany

Only reason he gets accused wrote:

BackBay wrote:

Because Rodgers didn't dope--that's why he isn't accused. Grow up. Not every accusation is based on nationalism. Cierpinski was a cheat. He knows it. He were part of a terrible, tragic regime and it must suck to know your accomplishments were ersatz, perhaps worse than the clean athletes whose medals he robbed. At least they know in their hearts they are not compromised.

Only reason why he is accused of doping is because he beat your beloved Frank Shorter. Sorry, but he got beat by the better person, not because of drugs. But, because he was the better man. Due to better training. And, he is not a sissy who accusses others of doping almost 44 years later just because he lost to him.

Evidence suggests that Cierpinski was part of the the East Germany State-Sponsored doping machine back then.

Don't you do any research on the historical record of doping in E. Germany & the Soviet block nations? E. Germany was bad with forced doping of it's Olympic athletes. The Soviet Union was also out of control (though things aren't much better with present day Russia. Lol.).

Cierpinski was listed in E. Germany's top secret doping program "State Plan 14:25:"

"Things changed in 1998, when a German scientist, Dr. Werner Franke, managed to get into the archives of Stasi, East Germany's secret police force. By the time the GDR collapsed, Stasi's spooks had managed to destroy most of its incriminating paperwork, but not a file on State Plan 14:25, which Dr. Franke uncovered at the Stasi headquarters in Leipzig. State Plan 14:25 contained details of East Germany's drug program for its Olympic athletes. The file implicated many gold medalists, five of them winners in track and field in Montreal. Cierpinski's name was at the top of Page 105. He was No. 62."

More declassified documents on E. Germany's steroid & androgen program with it's athletes:

Well-done film of the event, thank you for posting.

Don’t have anything to add on the questions / points of controversy.

Yes, Cierpinski had great form and a springy stride.

Did not realize Don Kardong was so close to medal.

Of course you used ESPN, a American propaganda piece. And, you and everybody else in this thread is doing a guilt by association fallacy. Nice try, but no proof.

Jealous American haters wrote:

Of course you used ESPN, a American propaganda piece. And, you and everybody else in this thread is doing a guilt by association fallacy. Nice try, but no proof.

Crawl back to your hole Waldie. You know you are a cheat.

Jealous American haters wrote:

Of course you used ESPN, a American propaganda piece. And, you and everybody else in this thread is doing a guilt by association fallacy. Nice try, but no proof.

Go fck yourself, you pathetic troll.

well,, wrote:

Jealous American haters wrote:

Of course you used ESPN, a American propaganda piece. And, you and everybody else in this thread is doing a guilt by association fallacy. Nice try, but no proof.

Go fck yourself, you pathetic troll.

Typical American response

In the ESPN article it is stated that Bill Rodgers won Boston and NYC in 1975.

Rodgers did win Boston in 1975 but his first NYC win was in 1976. 1976 was the first year that the NYC marathon was run through five boroughs.

The war on truth exists in areas even there there is absolute documentary evidence. Cierpinski was doped. No question about it. End of story. He also had the benefit of runners like Galen Rupp, doing nothing but training. I seem to recall the American Rodgers was working a full time job teaching school at that time. The DDR people know they were cheats and no about of lying will change that.