chipper jones- the most arrogant man in sports

Actually increased hat and shoe size would be indicative of hgh use, not steroids. I pointed to a very specific statistic: games played. It's undeniable that his games played dropped significantly after steroids were banned from baseball. He was only 32 in 2004, which is supposedly still the prime of a ballplayer's career. To flat out deny that Jones used roids is naive. Most players used them, and there is certainly evidence to suggest Jones was one of them.

All this steroid trash is getting old!! What sport isnt cheating with drugs in the last 20 years? Track? Cycling? Football? Basketball? It was a part of the sport that everyone turned their heads on, but knew it was going on, from the top to the bottom. If I was a manager/owner, even a fan of the game; I would LOVE to have Chipper Jones on my team! Class act, great player, clutch player, and plays a very tough position on the field! Hard to compare to Mantle, such different eras. In my mind, wathched them both play, I'll take Chipper over Murray any day! No doubt hall of famer. And nothing wrong with a little confidence in yourself, shit especially how disgraceful most other pro athletes are today! (LeBron, Kobe, McGwire, Haynesworth, Tiger, etc........)

He missed 19 games in 2009, with most of those being day games after night games. 2005 and 2006 were the only years where he missed significant amounts of time. Factored in over a 17 year career, I'd say two seasons plus this season of injuries isn't too shabby. With your rationale, you must really think Griffey was dirty due to his lost games.

It is not naive of me to think that a guy like Chipper, who was practically born with a bat in his hands,(whose father was a baseball coach) might have done things the right way. His body hasn't gone through the changes like Bonds and McGwire. He looks the same as he did 10 years ago.

Statistically speaking, he has played great the last couple of seasons at age 36 and 37, and has performed well in the post steroid era.

Well, Jones does have a slightly better career batting average and more hits than Mantle, though Mantle had 100 more home runs than Jones has right now.

JimmyTheGreek wrote:

He missed 19 games in 2009, with most of those being day games after night games. 2005 and 2006 were the only years where he missed significant amounts of time. Factored in over a 17 year career, I'd say two seasons plus this season of injuries isn't too shabby. With your rationale, you must really think Griffey was dirty due to his lost games.

It is not naive of me to think that a guy like Chipper, who was practically born with a bat in his hands,(whose father was a baseball coach) might have done things the right way. His body hasn't gone through the changes like Bonds and McGwire. He looks the same as he did 10 years ago.

Statistically speaking, he has played great the last couple of seasons at age 36 and 37, and has performed well in the post steroid era.

There it is: day game after night games. Had he still been juicing he'd have played in those games.

sp!kes wrote:

btw, relating this thread to track fans: before his knee injuries, Mantle was lightning fast. I once read that he was the fastest player ever from Home to Third base (dont know if thats true).

Faster than Ichiro?

"Mets fans should go home, and put on their Yankee stuff."

POS.

why do you think he's arrogant?

this was one of the lamest threads I have ever started and it got the most responses. Wow, I am surprised.

chipper jones is no Mickey Mantle. Even comparing those two is a joke. Saying it sounds stupid.

number of championships?

sp!kes wrote:

Saying it sounds stupid.

number of championships?

Riiiiight. Number of championships. Super criteria champ. How about Chipper having a higher Average and OBP than Mantle in the playoffs? How about a lower K rate and a higher BB rate? More RBIs and Stolen Bases? But yeah, because Mantly played on a superior team, he should be thought of more highly? Idiot.

And yes, Mantle has more Regular Season HRs. But he has only 18 more RBIs than Chipper despite playing in 140 more games. And, for the record, Mantle played considerably below average defense.

To say that Chipper isn't in close to the same league as Mantle is insane.

No way is Chipper even close to Mantel. In many ways, he does compare favorably to Murray, but you gotta remember, in his prime, Micky Mantel was one of the best players of all time. His numbers were Steriod era Barry Bonds good. Him and Willy Mays were constantly compared to each other.

sp!kes wrote:

I once read that he was the fastest player ever from Home to Third base (dont know if thats true).

From HOME to THIRD? What? was he in a rundown?

Couldn't being mentioned with those two include a statement like:

"Chipper Jones was good, but he was no Mickey Mantle or Eddie Murray"

For those who might remember or spent any studying the situation, it is quite well known, that Mantle played several years in his late career when he should have been retired. The injuries had turned him into a shadow of what he once was. From 65-68 he only hit .254 with 1569 at bats. That is less than 400 at bats per year. He also only hit 82 homeruns during that period. If you eliminated those years, his career average was .308, but he would not have surpassed the 500 home run mark. It is quite obvious he played without the use of steriods and even caused physical harm with his drinking, but he also had two seasons in which he hit over 50 homeruns.

Not sure the "Chipper" really was as good as Mantle or should be compared to him.

This is an odd thread, and at least some people are showing some baseball knowledge here.

Here's the skinny:

1) It is completely natural for Chipper Jones to be compared to Eddie Murray and Mickey Mantel as they are all switch hitters.

2) While CHIPPER shouldn't have said this about himself (seems arrogant), his assertion is correct. He's done enough to be compared to those two Hall of Fame players (Mickey Mantel wins when compared against the other two though, but Chipper is in the conversation with them as one of the best switch hitters ever). He falls short in some areas and does better in others.

Mickey Mantel - Rightly considered one of the best position players ever.

Eddie Murray - A model of consistency who wasn't given his due mainly because of his interaction with the writers. But, when he hit 500 home runs, that was still a big big deal, and 3255 hits is awesome.

Chipper Jones - Will likely fall short of 3000 hits, but he already has more than Mantel did. .306 career hitter, 436 home runs, batting title, MVP, multiple time all star, just under 1500 RBI. Deserves Hall of Fame.