Alan Webb 800m this Saturday

Rupp got tripped, there was no good reason at all to finish the race as it was not a meet for a medal but for time. Finishing after falling is not advised when you're that deep into a race and fall. It's not worth risking injury at that point, if it's the olympics, sure go for it. Some unimportant meet...no way. Nate Brannen was a good example of what can happen after a fall if you try to go back to full speed, as he tore? something.

Rupp did the right thing, there'll be another day.

As for Webb, why would he got to Europe to run a 1:50? maybe because he has other races after it??[/quote]

Dude, you haven't changed, still think you know it all. Not surprised a javelin thrower thinks dnf'ing is ok. Your logic is stupid, you fall, you get up and start running. When you start a race, you go from a dead standstill to all out, they don't give you a yellow flag or rolling start like the TDF, so if you fall, you get up and go, good habit to develop.

Go away, this is a site for runners.

I bet he runs 1:57 for the win. Out in 61, realizes it's slow, takes the lead at the bell, ties up in the last 100 but has just enough to hold off a high school kid to get the win.

mrr83.5 wrote:Dude, you haven't changed, still think you know it all. Not surprised a javelin thrower thinks dnf'ing is ok. Your logic is stupid, you fall, you get up and start running. When you start a race, you go from a dead standstill to all out, they don't give you a yellow flag or rolling start like the TDF, so if you fall, you get up and go, good habit to develop.

Go away, this is a site for runners.

Have you ever ran a race before? Mrr82 just took you to school. You just tried comparing the START of a race to going from a dead start 80% into an all out 5k race?

You are either

1) A 5 minute miler who has never run hard ever or been in that position.

2) A total f-up

3) You're just a total tool.

Runs 1:57, keeps going, forgets that he's in an 800, and runs a 3:37 time trial for the 1500.

Webb runs 1:49 for the win then gets bus number 41 down to the burger king in Camden Town.

[

Have you ever ran a race before? Mrr82 just took you to school. You just tried comparing the START of a race to going from a dead start 80% into an all out 5k race?

You are either

1) A 5 minute miler who has never run hard ever or been in that position.

2) A total f-up

3) You're just a total tool.[/quote]

No, Mike, none of the above. (I have averaged 5:00 for 25k if that counts)

If you fall in a race, you get up and run, you don't walk away, there are only so many races out there to run. Nobody said get up and dive into a dead sprint, just get up and run, finishing a race is a good habit to develop, dropping out of a race should not be encouraged or rationalized.

HAHAHAHA

Problem, Guy? wrote:

Runs 1:57, keeps going, forgets that he's in an 800, and runs a 3:37 time trial for the 1500.

Runs 1:57, keeps going, thinking he was running a 1500. At 1k stops and for a 1500 DNF.

mrr83.5 wrote:

If you fall in a race, you get up and run, you don't walk away, there are only so many races out there to run. Nobody said get up and dive into a dead sprint, just get up and run, finishing a race is a good habit to develop, dropping out of a race should not be encouraged or rationalized.

Under the right circumstances it could be rationalized and in fact encouraged as strange as that may sound to what we were taught in high school running for a team.

I really don't think Rupp and Salazars decisions or methods need much advice, they seem to be doing it better and more often than anyone else. They have never used dropping out as a scapegoat or pattern. But I'd be willing to be that as well prepared as these guys are they've gone over a scenario like this before.

It was not a championship, not a qualifier, not running for team points and not the last race or 5000 of the season.

As Rupp mentioned in his interview they are just going thru a checklist this summer and focussed on 2012, with 2011 (Daegu) just part of that plan. The statement that there are only so many races out there is contrary to how they approach training and racing. Their philosophy seems to be, don't blow it on something that doesn't matter much, keep your eye on the big prize. When you go down hard while running a 5000 at 12:55 pace you are going down with tense muscles and near exhaustion, and certainly not with any preparation for the fall. It is very likely that you will get some muscle tightness from it at a minimum, if you go straight back into the race or try to catch up you put a high risk in turning a tight muscle into a strained or pulled muscle, for what? To prove that you didn't "quit" a time trial race that you were tripped in?

That's thinking small. That's thinking like a lot of the great hopes that we've talked about in the past that dissappeared. In recent history who has gone from high school to pro at such a high level of success and progression and consistently been in the game? I'm not thinking of anyone so rather than put down their methods, they may be worth taking notes from.

As for the guy who asked why Webb wouldn't time trial back home, it's obviously because he needs to get into a race. This race will serve the purpose hopefully of blowing the rust out and perhaps winning or at least not getting crushed. If those things happen it'll likely be an uphill ride.

Anything under 1:50 would be a good first step. He hasn't been doing much speed work so you can't expect him to be super sharp. I read in his interview last week that he was doing things like 6X800 in 2:13. But he has been doing 200's in the 25-28 sec range so I would expect under 1:50 from him. A lot depends on the weather and if it is windy or not. Hope he runs well.

mrr83.5 wrote:

If you fall in a race, you get up and run, you don't walk away, there are only so many races out there to run. Nobody said get up and dive into a dead sprint, just get up and run, finishing a race is a good habit to develop, dropping out of a race should not be encouraged or rationalized.

In business and life the ability to recognize and understand context and the ability to adapt and capitalize on changing cirumstances is what separates the movers and the shakers from the time card punchers, who are much better off following the same model and motto everyday until they retir. If that ever comes.

They same can be applied to great athletes.

mrr83.5 wrote:

finishing a race is a good habit to develop,

professionals and elites (in any sport or occupation) do not need to 'develop habits'. they are already mature and knowledgeable. 'developing habits' is for beginners.

Track Fan wrote:

Anything under 1:50 would be a good first step. He hasn't been doing much speed work so you can't expect him to be super sharp. I read in his interview last week that he was doing things like 6X800 in 2:13. But he has been doing 200's in the 25-28 sec range so I would expect under 1:50 from him. A lot depends on the weather and if it is windy or not. Hope he runs well.

I'd almost look at anything as a positive here, and even if it doesn't seem to positive I wouldn't be worried about. This could be very rusty and understandably so. New coach, major surgery, major weight loss, biomechanical work, not much speedwork, first race in a LOOONG time. Haha, that's a lot of stuff.

That said, It's hard to imagine a guy capable of 1:43 running 1:50, but we have seen Wheating (1:44) make 1:48.X races look tough so who knows.

I'm very interested to see where he's at 2-3 races from now, and if they have entertained the 5000 for him at all next year.

high schoolers occasionally run 1:50. kind of a far cry from his 1:43.8...

mrr83.5 wrote:Dude, you haven't changed, still think you know it all. Not surprised a javelin thrower thinks dnf'ing is ok. Your logic is stupid, you fall, you get up and start running. When you start a race, you go from a dead standstill to all out, they don't give you a yellow flag or rolling start like the TDF, so if you fall, you get up and go, good habit to develop.

Wow. Mrr82 time and time again makes runners like you look incredibly stupid. Please do us a favor and YOU leave the boards. You are a disgrace to us all.

As several posters mentioned, falling 4000 meters into an all out 5k and starting at the beginning of the race are not even close to the same thing. You'd have to have no experience at all with running and have 2 brain cells left to come up with that analogy.

Please leave and go away, you need to go back to HS to learn about running. If you've run 25 minutes for 8k, then you are an incredible waste of talent and don't deserve it.

I'm going to run 1:41.10 this week for 800 meters. Hope the world is watching.

1:46.44, (59,9 / 46,5)

cross bluntry wrote:

high schoolers occasionally run 1:50. kind of a far cry from his 1:43.8...

Some run even faster, and then never do anything. But not many would come close to it with the past couple years that he's had and in their first race back. It's all relative and it's simply a stepping stone.

Think about if you ever took a month off. I bet you didn't head out your first run back at 6:00 pace for 15 miles (assuming that is a typical longer run when you were in shape). You might run 4-5 at 6:30 or slower pace, but within a few weeks you'd probably be able to handle 12 at 6:15 pace no problem.

No doubt 1:50 is a long way from 1:43high, but it's not where opens at it's where he gets to. Hell he may open in 1:47, but he certainly isn't cranking 800 workouts right now.

Might also be worth considering what his PB was before that 1:43?

Guy took a chunk off when he ran that. He wasn't really an 800 guy at all - that time was probably more suprising from him than his AR in the mile.

Anyone know if he's actually running? Tempted to head up and watch as it's only about half an hour travel...