Remember when a 9.84 would have WOWED You???

Ignorance is bliss...especially on this board. My god..."every sprinter walking the face of the earth in on the juice". Please guys...if you are talking like that; why watch sports?? And why not say the same about all those distance runners who are taking their event to the next level (Bekele, Geb and the US 10k runners at this moment)? Comparing the current crop of top-sprinters to the bunch of pumped-up, superaggressive, yellow-eyed sprinters we had in the 80's and 90's is BS, someone with a bit of insight should be able to notice that we're dealing with a different type of athletes now (some sprinters/footballplayers aside that is).

Accusing Powell and Bolt of being doped, and say that 'Tyson would not even take a paracematol' is chauvinitic crap, especially since the same people are hailing JG's come-back.

I go back to sprintzone...although that board is about to be ruined by these sort of stupid comments as well.

Out

Rome, 1987.

The clock on TV stopped at 9.84 whith Ben Johnson destroying Carl Lewis in the WC final.

It was truely shocking as the world record was 9.93 at the time.

The official time came in at 9.83. Big WOW.

That record would have lasted 10 years if he kept his mouth shut after his positive test in 1988 instead of testifying that he had used steroids leading to that performance.

Geezer,

You and I have had some really cool conversations on here. I've enjoyed watching you and Coach D go at each other regarding sprint mechanics and racing.

However, the drug accusations are getting REALLY OLD, man. Please, please stop.

Sincerely,

The Stache

Stopped. I've put one on hold, we'll see how long I can hold off. I'll pull it out when it gets really ridiculous again.

Well, it's gotten ridiculous again.

Just thought I'd revive this old thread, with the Gay/Powell/Carter news.

The drug accusations might be old to you, but it's only because you are of weak constitution.

Nut up, and get real.

This is a great day. The only way it could get better would be if Bolt, Blake, Jeter, Merritt, etc. would also be banned from Moscow.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Well, it's gotten ridiculous again.

Just thought I'd revive this old thread, with the Gay/Powell/Carter news.

The drug accusations might be old to you, but it's only because you are of weak constitution.

Nut up, and get real.

This is a great day. The only way it could get better would be if Bolt, Blake, Jeter, Merritt, etc. would also be banned from Moscow.

I love that you dug this up from 3 years ago Sprintgeezer. I as well have always surmised that the sub 9.8 crew has all been dirty. Check the list...

Ben Johnson - Tested Positive

Maurice Green

Tim Montgomery - Tested Positive

Justin Gatlin - Tested Positive

Nesta Carter - Tested Positive

Asafa Powell - Tested Positive

Tyson Gay - Tested Positive

Yohan Blake

Usain Bolt

66%... Really?

Does anyone remember the email from Ato Boldon to John Smith that circulated for awhile that he wrote when he found out they had given Maurice PEDs?

That would only leave Blake and Bolt as the only clean sub 9.8 guys...???

Really?

Yohan Blake even had some times thrown out back in 2009. Sprintgeezer do you know why? I missed that one.

Maybe we should add in Steve Mullings who ran 9.8 and... you guessed it... tested positive.

Be honest with yourselves.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Well, it's gotten ridiculous again.

Just thought I'd revive this old thread, with the Gay/Powell/Carter news.

The drug accusations might be old to you, but it's only because you are of weak constitution.

Nut up, and get real.

This is a great day. The only way it could get better would be if Bolt, Blake, Jeter, Merritt, etc. would also be banned from Moscow.

I remember when Ben Johnson ran 9.79 and Carl (Cheater) Lewis said he didn't think that we even possible.

Someone, (can't remember who) saw Gay for what he was a long time ago. Something about the regularity of his performances being suspect.

So only two athletes under 9.8 have never ever tested positive for anything

(Greene and Bolt) ....and Greene basically incriminated by Boldon's "love letter" to John Smith...

Look, I know I can come off like a dick, because I sometimes say things that people don't want to hear.

Because there is more to sprinting than just doping (really, there is), I respect people's desire to have me just shut up, because they don't want it always shoved down their throats.

I have never forgotten this thread. I have infinite patience, and I NEVER forget things that I think are important. It's one of my greatest assets, and one of my greatest failings.

I would have waited 10 years, if that's what it would have taken.

Now that some of what is going on is out (and believe me, it is FAR from the whole truth), you guys should take time to consider this: what is REALLY going on? What is it about these stimulants? Are they used in combination with other things? Are they masking agents in their own right? What are the specific tests? Why are they banned? How much were they taking? What is out there that is still technically legal, and which gives confusing test results for tests for actually banned substances?

Nobody here knows exactly how fast 10-flat is. The only reason I know is because I have run beside guys who were that fast. There is natural, and there is more--for instance, BJ was more.

Consider BJ, he was years ahead of his time. He was stopped at 9.79, and would have made it deep into the 9.7's, quite possibly to around 9.6x-mid/high. If he is to be believed, he would have made it to 9.3x Really, none of these dopers has done anything more significant. Not only have natural athletes not gotten significantly better, neither have the dopers.

Where the limit is with dope, I have no idea--and make no mistake, even if stimulants, it is dope. Have you ever seen anybody effed up on PCP? Like I said in another thread, drugs will get you to a place you could NEVER get to without the drug. That's the whole point. If Johnson says 9.3x, whatever--his opinion is as good as anybody's.

It's only a matter of time before he is asked his opinion on all of this, if he hasn't been already. His response will likely be "Of course, I told you this a long time ago."

Also, like some say, where there is smoke, there is fire. Don't think that stimulants and diuretics are the end of the story. DON'T.

Donovan Bailey was the greatest.

Mo never tested positive himself but was implicated in a PED investigation. Not clean in my book.

If you look at 9.80 and under guess who you add? Steve Mullings.

Bolt is the only sub 9.8 guy that hasn't been directly tied to PEDs, though his coach and training partners have and he's blown records out of the water.

Mtn Dew wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/2298150/Maurice-Greene-doping-allegations-hit-IAAF.html

Mo never tested positive himself but was implicated in a PED investigation. Not clean in my book.

If you look at 9.80 and under guess who you add? Steve Mullings.

Bolt is the only sub 9.8 guy that hasn't been directly tied to PEDs, though his coach and training partners have and he's blown records out of the water.

Greene was most likely clean during his heyday and started doping after his motorcycle crash to make a comeback for the 2004 Olympics.

I truly believe that Ato Boldon was clean throughout his career. He wouldn't have crashed and burned so hard after age 24 if he'd been doping.

Greene Clean? LoL

boooom wrote:

Greene Clean? LoL

Assuming that an athlete was juiced while having no evidence would be LOL if it weren't so disturbingly stupid.