It's nowhere near close to the same. We're talking twice the distance and a WR. A WR by over 40 seconds.
It's nowhere near close to the same. We're talking twice the distance and a WR. A WR by over 40 seconds.
I believe she was clean because Mayeroff thinks so.
MarathonMind wrote:
It's nowhere near close to the same. We're talking twice the distance and a WR. A WR by over 40 seconds.
You seem to forget the 90's when WR's were being shattered on the Men's side by similar margins.
Also, Paula Radcliffe broke the marathon record by almost 2 minutes.
The next closest competitor is over 3 minutes behind this time, and this is an even greater margin than Wang's WR over the second fastest women's 10k.
if OP's splits are correct, Wang's k splits went as follows:
2:54.7
3:01.9
3:02.6
3:03.6
3:02.9
3:04.4
3:04.4
2:45.5
2:44.9
2:46.9
what in god's name happened at around 7k? good lord. she was on 30:30 pace til then.
She never failed a test, thus is as clean as Solinski. At least she was always good during her pro career. Not like Solinski who was mediocre for about 5 pro years and then magically runs a 27:00. Hmmm, who looks more suspicious?
Doped or something. In 1 year, she took 3 minutes off of her 10k time...
Doping deosn't make you run crazy uneven splits.
Here is one theory:
The 8K and 9K splits were clicked 100m early which is why they are 17-18 seconds faster than the previous splits.
Then maybe she can crank out a 2:47 close.
Total distance: 9,800m.
The last "3K" would be 2800m giving a more reasonable but still fast 8:50 closing 3K instead of an insane 8:17.
Another 200m would still put her under the then world record of 30:13.
You just don't carry 10K record pace for 7K and then throw in a WR pace 3K to close.
'I think its also obvious she was more of a mid distance runner moving up, judging from her other PB's, enroute or otherwise and also from the way she ran her splits in the 10k record'
Try and find a middle distance performance for her before 93. There are none.
She did manage 32:29 in 1992. Before 1 year later running 29:31!
Come on!
Snails pace wrote:You seem to forget the 90's when WR's were being shattered on the Men's side by similar margins...
By 19-20 year olds? Paula was 28-29 years old when she ran those times. Melkamu, Dibaba, Abeylegesse, and Defar- all have run sub-30, and all between the ages of 23 and 26.
That's why it's not even close.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
'I think its also obvious she was more of a mid distance runner moving up, judging from her other PB's, enroute or otherwise and also from the way she ran her splits in the 10k record'
Try and find a middle distance performance for her before 93. There are none.
She did manage 32:29 in 1992. Before 1 year later running 29:31!
Come on!
Your Paula Radcliffe love is pouring out of you.
Paula was doped out of her mind. Only explanation.
Snails pace wrote:
You seem to forget the 90's when WR's were being shattered on the Men's side by similar margins.
Also, Paula Radcliffe broke the marathon record by almost 2 minutes.
The next closest competitor is over 3 minutes behind this time, and this is an even greater margin than Wang's WR over the second fastest women's 10k.
But Radcliff is white!
MarathonMind wrote:
Snails pace wrote:... Where's the outrage at Bekele?No outrage at all. KB's closing 3,000 for his WR was nearly 28 seconds SLOWER than his 3,000 best. Whereas Wang's closing 3,000, for a slower pace, was just 17 seconds slower than her PB. note: Wang's 3,000 WR was run 5 weeks after the 10,000 WR.
It's a shame she didn't have a very long career. It would've been neat to see if should could have broken 8:00, 14:00 and 29:00.
Snails pace wrote:
Given that 40 seconds is 60% slower per similar 2k effort than Bekele, Wang could easily have run her final 2k in the time she did, in fact she could have gone even faster.
Nothing about her performance seems untrue.
Its also not surprising that China produces 10k talent rather consistently on the world stage.
In 1996, Wang was taking the same Drug tests Bob Kennedy, Geb,Daniel Komen, and El G were.
If her mark's aren't allowed to stand, then neither should the mark's of any of those runners from the same period.
Focusing on her splits is a classic case of missing the forest for the trees.
On September 8, 1993, Wang broke the world record in the 10k by over 40 seconds against zero competition.
Three days later, she ran 3:51.92, which remains the fourth-fastest 1500 ever.
Two days after that, she ran 8:06, another world record.
Five days, 14.5k of running on the track, and two world records. No videos exist, and her 5k PR (14:51) doesn't come close to syncing up with the times she was able to record in those five days. Neither do ANY of her other performances on the international stage, which include a 14:59/31:02 double in the 1996 Olympics and a 2:24 marathon (great performances, but nowhere close to the level of 29:31).
There's believing someone is innocent until proven guilty, and then there's willfully burying your head in the sand. Whether it was a short track, EPO, or both, there's no way any of those Chinese national championships times were legitimate, and I can't believe the IAAF recognizes them. I'm not even starting on coach Ma, who had six athletes booted from the Sidney Olympics for EPO.
Well,I don't know about the splits or their truthfullness.
I would say that the WR differential men/women over 10K seems as believable to me as that over 5K.
Most women did not train REALLY HARD hard at the 800m-10K track distances in earlier years,in fact the general times were pretty pathetic apart from the odd one or two often put down to so called "male" characteristics in the female runner.I have no doubt that one of the more recent African female prodigies could crack Wang's record if they got off the money making band wagon.If marathoners like Kristiansen, Radcliffe and others could run within 40s of Wang's time it confirms my point.All you knockers should get over it.
Judy wrote:
I have no doubt that one of the more recent African female prodigies could crack Wang's record if they got off the money making band wagon.
Do you think they could break her 10k record and then break her 3k record five days later? With a 3:51 in between?
toro wrote:
Doping deosn't make you run crazy uneven splits.
Here is one theory:
The 8K and 9K splits were clicked 100m early which is why they are 17-18 seconds faster than the previous splits.
Then maybe she can crank out a 2:47 close.
Total distance: 9,800m.
The last "3K" would be 2800m giving a more reasonable but still fast 8:50 closing 3K instead of an insane 8:17.
Another 200m would still put her under the then world record of 30:13.
You just don't carry 10K record pace for 7K and then throw in a WR pace 3K to close.
This is definitely the best explanation I've seen. For those of you who believe this record is legitimate, you must be living one hell of a blissful life.
oh. wrote:
toro wrote:Doping deosn't make you run crazy uneven splits.
Here is one theory:
The 8K and 9K splits were clicked 100m early which is why they are 17-18 seconds faster than the previous splits.
Then maybe she can crank out a 2:47 close.
Total distance: 9,800m.
The last "3K" would be 2800m giving a more reasonable but still fast 8:50 closing 3K instead of an insane 8:17.
Another 200m would still put her under the then world record of 30:13.
You just don't carry 10K record pace for 7K and then throw in a WR pace 3K to close.
This is definitely the best explanation I've seen. For those of you who believe this record is legitimate, you must be living one hell of a blissful life.
That wouldn't account for these results:
8:06.11 Wang Junxia CHN 09.01.73 1 Beijing 13.09.1993
8:12.18 Qu Yunxia CHN 25.12.72 2 Beijing 13.09.1993
8:12.19 Wang Junxia CHN 09.01.73 1h2 Beijing 12.09.1993
8:12.27 Qu Yunxia CHN 25.12.72 2h2 Beijing 12.09.1993
8:16.50 Zhang Linli CHN 06.03.73 3 Beijing 13.09.1993
8:19.78 Ma Liyan CHN 03.11.68 3h2 Beijing 12.09.1993
8:21.26 Ma Liyan CHN 03.11.68 4 Beijing 13.09.1993
Or the 1500m results, which were replicated four years later in Shanghai.
These are the splits for the Wang's last 3k, allegedly:
2:45.5
2:44.9
2:46.9 (8:17.xx)
These are the splits for the final 3k of another well-known breakthrough 10k:
2:43.9
2:46.0
2:28.0 (7:58.xx)
No prizes for guessing who the second set of splits are from, but let's just say they should be able to put more than 19 seconds on a Chinese woman running by herself over 3k.
113 wrote:
Snails pace wrote:Given that 40 seconds is 60% slower per similar 2k effort than Bekele, Wang could easily have run her final 2k in the time she did, in fact she could have gone even faster.
Nothing about her performance seems untrue.
Its also not surprising that China produces 10k talent rather consistently on the world stage.
In 1996, Wang was taking the same Drug tests Bob Kennedy, Geb,Daniel Komen, and El G were.
If her mark's aren't allowed to stand, then neither should the mark's of any of those runners from the same period.
Focusing on her splits is a classic case of missing the forest for the trees.
On September 8, 1993, Wang broke the world record in the 10k by over 40 seconds against zero competition.
Three days later, she ran 3:51.92, which remains the fourth-fastest 1500 ever.
Two days after that, she ran 8:06, another world record.
Five days, 14.5k of running on the track, and two world records. No videos exist, and her 5k PR (14:51) doesn't come close to syncing up with the times she was able to record in those five days. Neither do ANY of her other performances on the international stage, which include a 14:59/31:02 double in the 1996 Olympics and a 2:24 marathon (great performances, but nowhere close to the level of 29:31).
There's believing someone is innocent until proven guilty, and then there's willfully burying your head in the sand. Whether it was a short track, EPO, or both, there's no way any of those Chinese national championships times were legitimate, and I can't believe the IAAF recognizes them. I'm not even starting on coach Ma, who had six athletes booted from the Sidney Olympics for EPO.
Didn't some Kenyan do the same thing in the 70's?
YOU FAIL EPICALLY. GO BACK TO YOUR HOLE AND DIE.
oh. wrote:
toro wrote:Doping deosn't make you run crazy uneven splits.
Here is one theory:
The 8K and 9K splits were clicked 100m early which is why they are 17-18 seconds faster than the previous splits.
Then maybe she can crank out a 2:47 close.
Total distance: 9,800m.
The last "3K" would be 2800m giving a more reasonable but still fast 8:50 closing 3K instead of an insane 8:17.
Another 200m would still put her under the then world record of 30:13.
You just don't carry 10K record pace for 7K and then throw in a WR pace 3K to close.
This is definitely the best explanation I've seen. For those of you who believe this record is legitimate, you must be living one hell of a blissful life.
Just like Paula Radcliffe.